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Ossington_2008
20-10-2008, 20:33
I found this print loose so I can't date it yet.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo322/Ossington_2008/RAFStenigotundated.jpg

CDP
20-10-2008, 23:21
I suppose the most obvious place to start would be to find out when the dishes were decommissioned and taken down and work back from there? Is that too obvious? It is late and I'm a bit tired (my excuse!). Despite the number of times either Noel and myself have been in the area doing something aviation-related or I've been out that way doing something rallying-related, it's one site a few of us would love to visit. It'll happen one day.

It's a cracking oblique though and you don't see many. Nice one!

Chris

Paul Francis
21-10-2008, 08:13
Excellent shot

kebecker
26-10-2008, 16:58
Stenigot during the 80's

http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n330/kebecker2/Picture010.jpg

Ossington_2008
04-11-2008, 20:29
I've found the pack it should have been in. Taken in Mar 94.

derekfrost
09-12-2008, 15:26
They're still shown on maps.google but look as though they've been taken off their mounts and left on the ground.

Alex Brown
12-12-2008, 01:27
They're still shown on maps.google but look as though they've been taken off their mounts and left on the ground.

They have indeed. Just about the whole site has been flattened. :(
The Ace High array dishes were cut down years ago but are still lying on the ground (as far as I know) at the present time. There is also a surviving Chain Home receiver block and one mast.

Jerry has some pics of this place I think?

Subbrit links:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/s/s ... index.html
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/s/s ... ndex1.html

kebecker
12-12-2008, 05:02
another 80's shot

http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n330/kebecker2/Picture017.jpg

Jerry
12-12-2008, 14:39
Flashearth link:

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.32702 ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.327028&lon=-0.116365&z=16.8&r=0&src=msl)

NJR
31-05-2009, 20:50
Some aerials of Stenjgot taken May 2009.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t145/ryan7480_bucket/Sun24thMay2009146.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t145/ryan7480_bucket/Sun24thMay2009156.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t145/ryan7480_bucket/Sun24thMay2009166.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t145/ryan7480_bucket/Sun24thMay2009172.jpg

NJR

Peter Kirk
31-05-2009, 21:11
Those old Sky dishes are difficult to get rid of.

Alex Brown
31-05-2009, 23:50
What are they up to there? Looks like they are making new mast bases!
Certainly some serious digging going on...

JCB
01-06-2009, 10:26
There is certainly some digging going on but it looks to me more like they are digging out and crushing the concrete from all the old mast foundations and buildings as part of a big clean-up the site.

Richard Flagg
01-06-2009, 10:56
What are the bunkers shown in the first and last photos??

Alex Brown
01-06-2009, 14:14
There is certainly some digging going on but it looks to me more like they are digging out and crushing the concrete from all the old mast foundations and buildings as part of a big clean-up the site.

Right yes that would make much more sense. There were originally 4 Chain Home TX masts of which only one remains.
Shame they seem so intent on obliterating what little is still extant.

Richard; the bunker next to the toppled Ace High dishes is the Chain Home receiver block,
the longer bunker is the CH transmitter block.
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/s/s ... ndex1.html (http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/s/stenigot/index1.html)

P Bellamy
02-06-2009, 00:25
Rough and ready Sketchup model plonked into Google Earth.:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k227/ramc181/Stenig1.jpg

RX Block and four 350' masts at the far end, TX Block and four (very basic) 420' masts at the near end.
Stenigot had bases for four TX masts, but I don't know whether it was built to the reduced version with three, when that was found to be sufficient elsewhere.

All the best,
PB

Alex Brown
02-06-2009, 09:17
I had assumed that the 4th mast base had been dug up some time previously for the later buildings, Paul?

JCB
02-06-2009, 12:24
Paul: That is a stunning rendition of the Stenigot configuration.

P Bellamy
09-06-2009, 21:05
I had assumed that the 4th mast base had been dug up some time previously for the later buildings, Paul?

The mountings for the three missing transmitter masts are visible in the previous coverage in Google Earth.

All four receiver mast bases, or the sites of them, are just about visible in the current GE image.
The northern RX mast base is visible as a soil mark, the southern RX mast's footings are amongst the Ace High footings but can be identified by their size and alignment.

I'm working on a better TX mast model in Sketchup, but as all I have are the height and base width dimensions to go by it's very much "by eye". I have the drawings for the antenna array that hung between the masts, but I'm not going to that extent. :wink:
I tried adding that last year on my model of Vetnor and it was a nightmare.

Edited to add the updated model:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k227/ramc181/Stenig2.jpg

All the best,
PB

PETERTHEEATER
10-06-2009, 06:55
If only I had the time and capabilty to do that modelling!

I continue to admire your efforts. Well done.

Richard Drew
10-06-2009, 07:46
http://www.atlantikwall.co.uk/atlantikwall/atlantikwall_picts/rings_radar/pics/21.jpg

Ringstead Bay Dorset also used the Tropospheric Scatter System things?

http://www.atlantikwall.co.uk/atlantikwall/atlantikwall_html/ring_radar_html/south_of_england.htm

Jerry
19-09-2009, 10:47
After a quick visit whilst working nearby, I stopped by Stenigot to get a few photos, many thanks to Brian for permission to walk the site.

The majority of the site has been flattened:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/Gingie28/Steni/DSCF2527.jpg

The dishes and a transformer building:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/Gingie28/Steni/DSCF2528.jpg

And the remaining tower:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/Gingie28/Steni/DSCF2503.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/Gingie28/Steni/DSCF2530.jpg

Jerry
19-09-2009, 10:48
The dishes:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/Gingie28/Steni/DSCF2526.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/Gingie28/Steni/DSCF2515.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/Gingie28/Steni/DSCF2517.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/Gingie28/Steni/DSCF2516.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/Gingie28/Steni/DSCF2514.jpg

Richard Flagg
20-09-2009, 18:18
Shame to se it as it is. It is somewhere I'd still like to visit if I get the oppertunity.

I guess it won't be long before the dishes and bunker are demolished too.

Thanks for posting the pics.

PETERTHEEATER
21-09-2009, 09:35
The dishes will go for scrap but I bet the bits will have to be exported to a smelter in China!

Vespretta
09-12-2011, 00:10
Just to resurrect this old post, I was talking to a local today who tells me the dishes were bought from the MOD with the idea of using them as a sheep shelter (wonder if it was for the 1, 000+ sheep that were recently stolen there!) but by all accounts they are unmovable and the pikeys can't get them in their Transit vans so they have been left as they are due to lack of interest. There was said to have been plans recently to cut them up on site for disposal but permission for this was not granted. There was also talk of burying them...I don't know how much of this is true as it may just be local gossip but I do know the locals hate them and class them as a serious eyesore, personally I love the Stenigot dishes and hope they stay for many years!

Or did the Millennium Falcon crash in Lincolnshire! :lol:

Hawkeye001
09-12-2011, 00:22
Ive not heard all this Stephen but it doesnt surprise me in the least lol.

Carnaby
09-12-2011, 11:09
Stenigot was featured yesterday on 'The One Show' The Aerial Erectors' School took the presenter to the top of the mast. Impressive views

canberra
09-12-2011, 22:29
I dont know which trade in the RAF were the bigger drinkers the aerial erectors or the motor boat crews!

Chris Lowe
09-12-2011, 22:32
I think may mate who was an aerial erector would claim that title mad sod only joined so he could climb those huge masts.

netcompsys
16-09-2012, 15:01
A photo of Stenigot's remaining CH tower, with the Belmont TV transmitter mast in the background on misty day early last year

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kevin

netcompsys
03-05-2013, 22:52
Some Photos while passing by this evening

Aces High dishes with remaining CH Transmitter tower behind
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Remaining CH Transmitter tower (water tower is on Anglian Water site)
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Remaining CH Transmitter tower
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Remaining CH Transmitter tower from below
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CH Transmitter Block
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Aces High dishes
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Water Tower
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Piquet Post
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Pillbox
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[click on the thumbnail for larger images]

kevin

Alex Brown
04-05-2013, 00:18
I seem to recall reading that the water tower that survives was not on the original site, and that there was another site water tower that is long demolished?

Will happily stand corrected though...

netcompsys
04-05-2013, 22:23
The comment you refer to is in a caption of a photo on subrit which includes the word "probably"and explains that this is based on the fact that this is immediately outside the current site fence.

However it is a large structure and it is difficult to see what this water tower might have been for other than to service the site in one of its incarnations.

Kevin

Able Mabel
05-05-2013, 21:51
Anybody got photos of the camp buildings where the personnel lived ???

Located in the woodlands as seen in background of last photo in post #10

Crunkylad
13-01-2014, 18:57
A friend of mine has rooted out these photo's of her husband, Bill Lawrence (on right in pic) who served at Stenigot 1954-56. The photo of the original masts got my juices going for sure. The building at the bottom is a rear view of the Sick Quarters. My friend has asked for any info on Stenigot during that period and especially of her husband. 15336

Edward C
17-01-2014, 16:48
excellent pics, i went and had a wander around a couple of years ago. great place. Sat on one of the dishes to eat me sarnies in the sun

Crunkylad
17-01-2014, 19:26
excellent pics, i went and had a wander around a couple of years ago. great place. Sat on one of the dishes to eat me sarnies in the sun

Thanks Edward. I used to work there myself around 1988. I understand the buildings have all been demolished.

Alex Brown
17-01-2014, 19:36
Thanks Edward. I used to work there myself around 1988. I understand the buildings have all been demolished.

Most, but there are still a few bits there.

Edward C
19-01-2014, 02:41
Thanks Edward. I used to work there myself around 1988. I understand the buildings have all been demolished.

the ww2 buildings were still but derelict there but everything associated with the dishes, apart from the dishes, i gone :(

stevie
21-03-2014, 20:49
Past by here recently. What an amazing (& quite weird) sight the dishes make, just laying there -

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r172/spinback/spinback088/DSCF8831.jpg (http://s144.photobucket.com/user/spinback/media/spinback088/DSCF8831.jpg.html)

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r172/spinback/spinback086/DSCF8135.jpg (http://s144.photobucket.com/user/spinback/media/spinback086/DSCF8135.jpg.html)

Cheers
Steve
:grin:

netcompsys
01-04-2014, 21:01
An item on local TV News, Look North, about preserving the "Radar Dishes", including a short sound bite from Dave Harrigan of AHL

It wasn't clear what the origins of the story was

Available on iPlayer for the next 21 days (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03zhpp5/Look_North_(Yorkshire_and_Lincolnshire)_01_04_2014/) or http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b03zhpp5/

starts at 19:20 ish

kevin

netcompsys
01-04-2014, 21:05
Earlier this month the Lincolnshire Echo publishes a series of 9 photos by Tracey Poulter

Stunning photographs of Cold War dishes at RAF Stenigot (http://www.lincolnshireecho.co.uk/pictures/Stunning-photographs-Cold-War-radars-RAF-Stenigot/pictures-20806838-detail/pictures.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

also http://tpoulterphotography.weebly.com/nocturnal-lincolnshire.html

Kevin

G4HFG
30-11-2014, 22:47
You may have seen these photographs that I shot in 1992 a month or so before the station was flattened. However....

There are more photographs if anyone is interested?

Alex Brown
30-11-2014, 23:12
Yes please! Those are some great photos. Ones of the installation intact seem quite rare, especially of the buildings...

G4HFG
01-12-2014, 00:15
Stenigot, as it was. My photos were taken with an old wet film camera which unfortunately ran out of film. In addition, it is a little difficult framing a shot whilst loking over your shoulder as you can no doubt imagine!

Nato Forward Scatter Station

On the wrong side of the gate, the MoD Police house.

The standby geny house

The generator

Generator control panel

Entering the transmitter receiver hall. Note the wood door. A metal door with this level of RF power nearby would be exciting to say the least. I also noticed the spyhole in the wood door. Strange that, considering the only person to be the other side of the door would be an armed MoD Policeman.

The view upon entering the tx/rx hall

My drawing of the layout of the Stenigot control building. The kettle and the the list of who takes how many sugars in their tea and coffee was still hanging on the kitchen wall!

I will post more when I can.

Alex Brown
01-12-2014, 00:21
Thanks again, looking forward to the next installment.

G4HFG
01-12-2014, 23:05
The transmitter receiver hall. Didn't take long before the paint peeled off the walls. Shame.

The feeding chain of ACE High

Instrumentation. Of course some idiot felt the need to cause damage, grrr.

Instrumentation in the control room next to the transmitter hall. I apologise for the poor quality photos taken quickly with a manual focus Practika wet film camera etc

Looking down the hall. The flash didn't make it. The room at the end I believe is where the final amplifiers are located. Everything was cased in steel cabinets therefore there was nothing to photograph. I will always remember the strange feeling that came over me in the short time that I was in there. I felt that I was not alone in there and that I was being watched. I have never felt like that before, or since. I did not hang around in there. I did not feel welcome.

RF adaptors.

Reference to ACE North, Brizlee Wood.

Time for a refreshment in the rec room? No.

Another quick look on the way out.

My best guess would be stacked transformers?

Don't push your luck. Time to go.

Some serious RF took place here. Troposcatter was in fashion in that era. NARS for the USA, ACE High for NATO. It successfully achieved its objective at the time. Those who witnessed these iconic Mickey Mouse style ears perched high on the Lincoln Wolds will never forget the sight of them. And little did they know, or dare to ask at the time.

Graham

WJT
01-12-2014, 23:50
Which country manned Stenigot - UK people or people from all NATO countries? Were they Air Forces or booties?

Alex Brown
02-12-2014, 00:34
This is what fascinates me about this period of history - it was there but no-one talked about it. Then for a short while it was irrelevant so very few people took an interest. Then it was gone, leaving only some bizarre remnants like the massive dishes. Much the same thing happened to the tower near me at Crowland although that was razed to the ground leaving no trace at all...

redmist
02-12-2014, 12:15
I recall the first time I came across this site back in the late 60's/ early 70's when a few of us, then young fellas, first started going over to Cadwell Park to watch the motorcycle races there. Of course, no-one in the group knew what they were. After a couple of seasons belting past them curiosity finally got the better of me and a pal. While the others carried on back home we diverted the short distance to take a closer look. I am guessing the gate guard present only had the occasional 'visitor' and was glad of 'something to do'. :-) Great show was made of a rifle and a resounding 'f*** off out of here' was the cheery greeting! So no, we didn't find out at that time what it was, but at least we realised it was something worth nosing in to! Naturally enough pretty much every time after then that we travelled to Cadwell we made a point of diverting down to the gate to see if the same guard was there just to 'give him something to do'. Only ever came across the same bloke once more. The others we encountered were for the most part equally unforthcoming but had a better attitude, and we did eventually ascertain roughly what went off there. Sad to say we never thought of taking any photos, so well done G4HFG; after all these years it is good to see what was in there!

G4HFG
02-12-2014, 13:41
Thank you for everyone's kind comments. I just wish that digital cameras had been invented then.

I understand that Stenigot had a number of playmates. RAF, Royal Signals and latterly, NATO. Not to mention the Army who evidently day visited it whilst they were on an exercise in Lincolnshire, after it was closed and supposed to be secured. Certainly someone forgot to lock the door when they departed.

I like the story about the TAVR? Signals group when they camped out near Stenigot. The officer in charge thought that it would be a good idea to check that they would not be causing any RF interference to whatever was going on at that place with the big dishes.

So the story goes, he marched up the long pathway to the MoD Police house and its locked gate. Through the bars on the gate the TAVR officer asked to speak with the officer in charge of Stenigot and explained why he was there. After a short wait, an American officer strolled up to the still locked gate and replied to the British officer, if you park your radios anywhere near the frequencies that we are using I will send someone over there to sweep up your ashes son.

I understand that Stenigot MoD Police reported into the guard room at Binbrook at 30 minute intervals for a sort of all is well message. I received a letter from an ex RAF gentleman who was at Binbrook and stationed in the guard room. He told me that they didn't have a clue what was going on up there, but they didn't ask and were told to stay away. He too expressed his gratitude.

netcompsys
04-12-2014, 12:45
Reading elsewhere it would seem that Aces High was originaly RAF manned and operated from 1960-61, responsibility passing to the Army's Royal Corps of Signals in 1968 and the system was being closed down and dismantled between 1985 and 1990, at least one site being sold in 1986.

Dates are clearly imprecise, depending on wether you are refering to system design, construction and commisioning and similarly in the run down of the system, for instance Subrit mentions 1996 for the physical dismantling of the Stenigot

It seems Stenigot was parented by Binbrook, even for the Army personnel based there

I wonder when responsibility for Stenigot passed back to the RAF at Digby?

kevin

netcompsys
04-12-2014, 12:50
I like the story about the TAVR? Signals group when they camped out near Stenigot. The officer in charge thought that it would be a good idea to check that they would not be causing any RF interference to whatever was going on at that place with the big dishes.

So the story goes, he marched up the long pathway to the MoD Police house and its locked gate. Through the bars on the gate the TAVR officer asked to speak with the officer in charge of Stenigot and explained why he was there. After a short wait, an American officer strolled up to the still locked gate and replied to the British officer, if you park your radios anywhere near the frequencies that we are using I will send someone over there to sweep up your ashes son.



I think this story is not strictly true, in that it probably doesn't refer to Stenigot or the TAVR or the officer being American. There is a remarkably similar story, seemingly told first hand and dating from 2001 ( the story not the incident) on subrit

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/features/ace_high/index4.html


Terry Wiseman writes

Many years ago, as a Senior Signals Officer in the Civil Defence Corps, we were about to set up a mobile radio repeater station very near the USAF Signals facility at Golden Pot, near Alton (as mentioned in Duncan Campbell's piece above). I went over the facility and rang the bell on the gate—after explaining what I wanted the airman fetched the Officer out (we spoke through the gate—no way were they going to open the gate) and I asked him if our little repeater station would interfere with his communications.

His reply was: "Sir, if your frequencies are anywhere near ours, we will come over and sweep up the ashes as soon as you switch on your equipment."

kevin

G4HFG
04-12-2014, 23:30
There are photographs on the web seeming to illustrate an official close down ceremony at Mossy Hill in 1990. One would assume that Stenigot fell silent at this time too. However, in the Police House the last date on the 'Police Mutual' calender was January 1992, about two years later.

I imagine that this is entirely possible, given that there must have been a considerable quantity of apparatus to remove. Although two years later little seems to have been removed.

For the benefit of 'redmist' I attach a snapshot showing the excellent view from the window in the front of the desk on the second floor of the Police house. The roadway to the gate is just out of view to the right of the camera. Yep, they saw you coming before you saw them! -


Labels like this one were in abundance, suggesting who the last residents may have been.-


Graham

redmist
05-12-2014, 00:11
For the benefit of 'redmist' I attach a snapshot showing the excellent view from the window in the front of the desk on the second floor of the Police house. The roadway to the gate is just out of view to the right of the camera. Yep, they saw you coming before you saw them! -

Graham

:-) :-) Thanks for that Graham, but I reckon they probably heard us before they saw us! (Motorcycles were not particularly quiet back in those days.) I find it interesting that the references are to the guards being (I presume Military) Police. I completely accept that with the passage of time my mental picture/memory is 100% wrong but my recollection of the guard was, at least on that first occasion, a chap in what we took to be RAF uniform. Would you know if Army MP's would have been the 'standard issue' for this job at all similar Govt establishments? Always nice to learn something new!

Duncan

ChrisTheAncient
05-12-2014, 10:39
I understand that Stenigot MoD Police reported into the guard room at Binbrook at 30 minute intervals for a sort of all is well message. I received a letter from an ex RAF gentleman who was at Binbrook and stationed in the guard room. He told me that they didn't have a clue what was going on up there, but they didn't ask and were told to stay away. He too expressed his gratitude.

Thereby hangs a tale! I'm not sure if it was every 30 minutes or just on the hour. And the call would be recorded in the duty log. I do remember being on Orderly Corporal, in the guard room, one night and a call was missed (?). I checked with our PABX to see if they remembered receiving a call and passing it through... and they couldn't. I certainly wouldn't have missed it as I would have been sitting there, right by the telephone, waiting for the call. So I rang Stenigot. After quite a while the phone was answered (phew!) and they swore blind that they had phoned through on the hour. Oh Yeah? A pound to a pinch of the proverbial somebody up there had dozed off.

As to staffing, I don't remember any army blokes being billeted at Binbrook during my time; but we did have a couple of RAF corporals lodge with us. And they did keep themselves to themselves. On of them got his 3rd stripe and got posted into the Binbrook GRSF, where I worked, and he lodged in the Sergeants' Mess. I think he was as unpopular in there as he was in GRSF - and he used to frequent the Blue Lion Club (NAAFI) tea bar as much as the mess and would try tagging along with anybody he knew (but, usually, not friends with) in an endeavour to 'buy' friendship with cups of tea. He wouldn't have bought any friendship even with a plethora of pints! He was not a particularly well-liked guy.