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kebecker
01-06-2008, 18:19
13 EFTS is located just outside St Eugene Ontario, still marked on 1:50000 Canadain Topo maps and very evident on Google earth, just look to the south of the Ottawa river and you will see the three runways.

The site drew my attention when I came out here some years ago, there are a few brick buildings left standing, I would imagine the majority of building would have been wood.

I plan to get out with a camera in the next few weeks,

kebecker
22-07-2008, 04:41
BCATP 13 EFTS St Eugene Ontario

So I finally got around to looking at the BCATP airfield at St Eugene
(13 EFTS). First real post so if I have got anything wrong bear with me.




I have to admit that although I know what to look at on a UK airfield, this is my first experience of anything in Canada, so if I am wide of the mark on any of my comments feel free to correct

The site is up for sale and land clearance has begun, 60 years of natural growth is being grubbed away. Not much left in the way of buildings, the stop butt, a large shed that has been given a new tin roof, but still has its original cedar shingles cladding the sides the Fire Exit sign is still very clear. Looking at the roof trusses and the paint on the windows (matches the wood window frames at the stop butt) I would put even money on this large shed being of the right period.

The runways appear to be compacted gravel with remains of a surfacing of tarmac, for large surface areas in this climate I would think this easier to maintain than concrete when it comes to spring thaw, (any one who knows Quebec roads will know what I mean,)I have included on shot of a runway that appears to have been scrapped down fairly recently. In the area that has been cleared there are several drains, definately not a relic of agriculture, I can post pics if anyone has a predeliction for drainage.

The last couple of pics are of a fuel instalation the surface tank has long gone and only the mounts remain, of particular interest though are the substantial pipes and flanges still in place, the pipes go into the ground some distance, possibly to an underground tank.



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CDP
22-07-2008, 10:56
Excellent photos kebecker. An interesting new perspective which I'm sure many of us will find very interesting.

Keep up the good work.

Chris

Peter
22-07-2008, 14:33
Excellent pics Kebecker! I had no idea anything survived there. The Gun butt pics are classic canadian design and it looks in pretty good condition overall. The original shed looks like it might possibly be an mt repair shed or something? The runways look like they have had their surface removed.

CDP
22-07-2008, 15:05
I'm a little baffled as to the sign on photo no. 5. Is it FIRE EXIT or FIRE EXT? There seems to be some form of punctuation after it, perhaps indicating it was a longer word? It seems to read FIRE EXT.' (with the full stop at the top of the T). Just an observation. And why the large, red U-shaped sign below it. Be interesting to know and I can't forward any suggestions!

Chris

kebecker
22-07-2008, 15:26
made me think to, how about extinguisher?

Peter
22-07-2008, 16:02
Chris, I have a feeling it is a fire exinguisher location. I have seen similiar markings at Vulcan.

CDP
22-07-2008, 19:44
Extinguisher makes perfect sense really. Ought to have that one a little bit more but was busy elsewhere really! Still, a good piece of signage. Be interesting to know when it dates from.

Chris

kebecker
22-07-2008, 20:31
the vintage of the sign intrigues me, looking at the picture it appears that an original opening has been boarded up and smaller door fitted. Given how easy it is to reconfigure wood framed buildings this could have occurred at any time.

I am fairly sure given the fact that the sign is in English and not in both languages (English and French) it is not from recent times. Would probably be a pictogram anyway of this was the case!

Doing a quick google (sounds painful) it appears that the airfield was used after the war and called Conners Airport, there are certainly references of the site being used for motor sport in the early 60's

I think I may need to go back and have another nose around, may even get time to pop over to Ottawa to the National Aviation museum which has a good display relating to the BCATP

kebecker
01-11-2008, 15:47
A carry over from the main BCATP thread, but I thought it deserved its own home!

Went over to the site recently. The efforts to return the airfield to agricultural use are in full swing and have uncovered some interesting artifacts.

In his book Defenders of the Flag Rod Hodgson has a great pic of St Eugene, the aircraft are Cornell trainers.


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a concrete apron has been exposed by the ground works that would seem to match the one in the first picture

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also in same general area is what I am thinking is a hanger door fitting

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together with a drain cover
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as far as I know there are only three surviving buildings, the stop butt, the wooden shed I have already posted and this,

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Peter
02-11-2008, 01:19
You are correct about the Hangar door fitting. It would be sitted to the top of the large wooden main hangar doors.

kebecker
02-11-2008, 14:49
Local legend has it that a hangar was dismantled and moved to nearby Hudson where it was used as a hardware store (builders merchants to you and me!) until it burnt down in 1997. There must be pictures knocking around somewhere, I will see what I can find.

AeroDave
09-01-2009, 03:28
My father-in-law was an instructor at St Eugene. As Manager of Communications at Vintage Wings of Canada, I am putting together a story about St Eugene. I visited there about 8 years ago when he was 80 and we tried to hike in but the snow was too deep. If anyone has images and pictures of St Eugene during the war... I would love to see them.

Dave O'Malley

kebecker
09-01-2009, 15:44
Dave

welcome, feel free to put up the link to your site in the research media thread, I think it will be of interest to many of the members here.

kebecker
01-03-2009, 21:04
As I have said before not much left,

This is a drain, the trees have been felled by beavers....honest!
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Tank unearthed during agricultural reclaimation
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concrete drain?
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kebecker
08-04-2009, 00:19
snow has gone, so chance to find a few things I had missed in the summer

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Circular tank, I am assuming fuel storgae , next to a tank holder that I had previously seen
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Water valve, I am guessing , near to the inspection pits posted below, dated 1942
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AeroDave
06-08-2009, 21:54
What do I have to do to post attachments? I have some pretty good new photos regarding St Eugene that I would love to have up for you guys to see. Should I send them to one of you?

Dave O'Malley

kebecker
06-08-2009, 22:19
Dave

you can send them to me, I will send you a PM, am still looking forward to your article

Richard Flagg
06-08-2009, 22:45
Hi aerodave, you should be able to post photos now, either via the [img] code on a photobucket (or similar) photo hosting site or by using the paperclip icon when you post new threads - hope this helps.

kebecker
07-08-2009, 01:32
Hi aerodave, you should be able to post photos now, either via the [img] code on a photobucket (or similar) photo hosting site or by using the paperclip icon when you post new threads - hope this helps.

more features than you can shake fist at, like the attachments function, well done AIX!

AeroDave
20-08-2009, 22:38
Here are some new images I have of St. Eugene which have come my way from a group here in Ontario specializing in creating modelling of every BCATP base for Flight Sim. I will be posting an article about St. Eugene called Requiem For an Airfield in a couple of weeks on the Vintage wings of Canada website. For those of you who haven't heard of us... visit www.vintagewings.ca and sign up for news. Here are the images:

First an aerial from back in the day
Then a photo from the days when it was used for auto racing
The a screen capture from their excellent work - Al Guay of Flight Ontario sent me these and there are more if any one is interested

kebecker
20-08-2009, 22:57
great stuff Dave holding my breath for more

kebecker
12-04-2010, 20:23
Any one have details of the 25 yard range, why the bars on the windows?, I am thinking armoury. ANyway pace 25 yards and bingo I found the concrete of the firing point


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Peter
27-05-2010, 14:20
Ken, the bars look like a later addition..

John Jennings
22-08-2010, 17:16
Re: BCATP 13 EFTS St Eugene Ontario
Hi, I'm new at this sort of correspondence so bear with me.
I am by no means an air history buff, the only connection that I have is that my dad served as an air craft mechanic during the second war and was stationed part of the time in Rockcliff, Ontario.
There appear to be a number of buildings that were relocated from the St. Eugene air field after it's closure, and are still standing today.
I was told by one of my co-workers that one of the buildings I work in came from St. Eugene. Further discussions with other co-workers reveiled similar stories of it's and other buildings in and around the town of Alexandria, Ontario and other neighbouring towns. As well, I learned from them that there had been an air base in St. Eugene, something I had never heard.
So I hit the internet in search of information and found you guys! The picture of the firing wall did it, many years ago I had seen it while driving by, I wondered then what it was and its use, now I know.
After looking at some of the other photos on this web site, namely the old ariel photo of the St. Eugene base and the buildings in it. I have also seen the old WW2 air base site at Picton, Ontario just south of the town on top of the bluff. I am pretty convinced that the stories I was told are real.
So enough about my story.
I took photos of the building I work in and of the building near by, that I have been told came from the St. Eugene site. It is the stories, age, size and design of the structures that convinces me that they are authentic, but your validation and comments would certianly be appreciated.
I have attached 5 photos of the building I work at, it is the limit I can download per post, but have many more.
I have tried to show the nature of the interior and exterior roof structure. The central unobstructed open area of the building between the 12 x 12 inch, 16 foot tall roof truss support posts exceeds 80 feet, the spacing of the roof trusses are 16 feet, the outer roof structure extends another roughly 16 feet to each side. Overall the building is 112 feet wide and more than 200 feet long. The main roof trusses appear to be prefabracated with laminated lumber made in two parts bolted together in the middle with sister plates. The roofing lumber 1 3/4 inch tougue and grove planks. This is now covered with roofing tin.
The other building in Alexandria, is much smaller. Two stories with large windows with smaller glass panes in them. It is two stories high, I could imagine that it use at the air base as an office, training, mess hall or dormitory, I will try and post pictures and more info soon about it.
A third building a few kilometers outside of the Town of Alexandria, which I have been told came from the St. Eugene site is now used a a reception and banquet hall called the Boni Glen Pavilion on highway 43.
Regards to one and all
John Jennings.

kebecker
22-08-2010, 17:29
Nice work John, I had been told that one of the building had been relocated to Hudson, but had burnt down in the 70s good to see there are others that have survived, I will have to have a spin over and take a look

John Jennings
23-08-2010, 00:56
kebecker, I assume that Darkest, Quebec can't be far from Alexandria, myself reside in Hawkesbury. You should do that sometime before October as the company plans to take it down sometime after that.
I think it would be possible to arrange for you to see the inside of the building if you like.
To share a short history of the building pictured in the last post. It is known by locals as the Arena. Moved from St. Eugene to Alexandria when is not clear and was used by the town as the local hockey arena, up until 1978 when a new arena was built, I am told. Then as a warehouse by a transport company know as GTL (Glengarry Transport Limited) who are now defunct. It was then acquired by Alexandria Mouldings who are the current owners.
Here's some photos of the other building I wrote about, down the street from the one already posted. As you can see it is boarded up and empty. There had been a for sale sign on it some months ago, asking price was $48,000. Shortly after the sign disappeared and the plywood went up?

kebecker
12-09-2011, 23:46
Most of the reclaimation work seems to be complete, and you can now get an idea of how relativley level the airfield site is

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Peter
22-09-2011, 13:48
Intersting to see that some of the buildings survive but for how long?

Richard Flagg
20-12-2012, 21:34
A larger version of the photo posted by aerodave in #21. Source unknown

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