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olympusman
06-04-2009, 17:16
Found the following pictures this afternoon in the Belgian Air Force 42 Recce Sqn archives... no idea were it is taken ?

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk185/olympusman/Vulcan_3-2.jpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk185/olympusman/Vulcan_2.jpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk185/olympusman/Vulcan_1.jpg

canberra
06-04-2009, 18:08
Giiven the markings I wouyld say its either Scampton or Waddington.

Stevo
06-04-2009, 18:12
That looks like RAF Waddington, they are sat on this dispersal (http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.156068,-0.524672&spn=0.00478,0.009656&t=h&z=17)

Thanks for sharing them they are great images

Stevo ;)

P Bellamy
06-04-2009, 18:16
Waddington, southern dispersals.

All the best,
PB

olympusman
06-04-2009, 19:20
With pleasure Stevo !
As you see, we have nice picture in our archives... :lol:

Bellamy,
Do you perhaps have a plan of Waddington to give me an overview of this field ?

For the one's that want a copy of the pictures, just send me a PM with your mail

Peter Kirk
06-04-2009, 21:17
Amazing shots olympusman. Do you know when they were taken?

hornet
06-04-2009, 21:33
Doesn`t, it seem odd that the dispersals are not camouflaged :?: . those vulcans must stick out like a sore thumb on a overfly mission :?: :?: . or did the RAF not consider spying missions a threat back then :?:

EGDGZTCW
06-04-2009, 21:57
I seem to remember dispersal areas being sprayed with something, can't remember whether it was when I was at Brize or at St Mawgan or exactly what it was meant to achieve. Certainly the RAF took satellite over flights seriously enough.

Peter Kirk
06-04-2009, 22:03
Difficult to hide Scampton or Waddington. The Russian knew where they were but I suppose not always what was on them. My mum used to work for the MOD in Woolwich/Sidcup/Fort Halstead and used to be surprised that what I was reading in Aircract Illustrated was classified at work! That was when both Woolwich Arsenal and Fort Halstead didn't exist.

WJT
06-04-2009, 22:09
I bet the Sovs had Googleski Earthski yonks before it was available to mere mortals like us. In the nuke world we had all the Sov satellite overflights tracked and nothing sensitive was left on top at the appointed time.

Waddo would have been a target for a nuclear first strike anyway, so a hit within a mile or so would have been good enough to nobble anything on the ground. The only issue would have perhaps been a conventional interdiction by something like a Fencer, and if that had managed to cross the whole of Western Europe unscathed, then perhap the poor pilot would have deserved an easy target like a Flat Iron on the deck at Waddo.

The only camouflage I ever saw applied to aircraft movement areas was some sort of acid spray, which was applied to tone down new concrete. It was applied to all the new HAS and concrete that was laid in the hardening programme of the early 1980s. Later the HAS themselves were painted with something but not sure what it was.

EGDGZTCW
06-04-2009, 22:46
That was it.....tone down the new concrete

mawganmad
07-04-2009, 07:18
I don't think there was any requirement to hide the ORPs/dispersals, we knew that the Soviets knew where everything was (inc the dispersed airfields).
Also the Vulcans would normally be parked on the pads during readiness to scramble, and they would also be dispersed all around the country at 30 odd airfields, at the time to attack.
Don't forget at that time airfield buildings (inc the all important tower) were painted magnolia, and stood out like a sore thumb. Those were days of all out nuclear war. The Vulcan crews, if they got through Soviet defences, were faced with the improbable chance of making it to a friendly base at the end of their deadly mission, and if they did, not much left to come home to.
The tone down didn't come until the mid to late '70s when tactical attacks became a perceived threat.

olympusman
07-04-2009, 16:40
Picture 2 & 3 are the same area, 1 is another location (dispersa) seen the field border ?

Unfortunately no plave or date mentioned...

By the way, what about hangars for maintenance or storage as I have never seen a Vulcan inside a building ?

EGDGZTCW
07-04-2009, 17:18
Picture 2 & 3 are the same area, 1 is another location (dispersa) seen the field border ?

Unfortunately no plave or date mentioned..

As PB said earlier, all the Vulcans in the photo's are on the dispersal complex to the south of Waddington airfield. Have a look at Google Earth, it shows them quite well but they have changed a bit in shape. The field border still easy to pick out.
I would date them late 70's early 80's going on the markings on the Vulcans.

canberra
07-04-2009, 18:08
After the RAF lost the nuclear "first strike" role and the QRA, was the dispersal plan still in operation? I know that the Marham Victors were to disperse to Scampton and Finningley.

Stevo
07-04-2009, 18:31
Yes picture 1 is the http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Waddington,+Lincoln,+United+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.598503,39.550781&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FXJAKwMdibr3_w&split=0&t=h&ll=53.152275,-0.526542&spn=0.001538,0.004828&z=18


what about hangars for maintenance or storage as I have never seen a Vulcan inside a building ?

The Gaydon Hangar such as the one at RAF Coningsby, Wittering, Gaydon, Valley was built for this purpose.

Did a Vulcan fit in to a Type J hangar? many had the 'tail door' modification made to them like in the below picture, is this what it could have been for?

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o231/3DImages/RAF%20Middleton%20St%20George/DCP_0757.jpg

Stevo ;)

olympusman
07-04-2009, 18:38
I had never observed the tail door modification... :wink:

Stevo
07-04-2009, 19:02
Actually I think they might fit in without that modification, the Type J doors seems to be around 9m high and the Vulcan is 8.3m high.

;)

WJT
07-04-2009, 19:37
Here for Olympusman are some shots of Vulcans in a hangar. In fact, the shots are both of XJ823 of 35 Sqn in a hangar at Scampton during February 1982. This must have been one of the last servicings carried out at Scampton. Note also the assortment of ground equipment, including jacks and trestles as well as the bottle trolleys.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll199/MandatorV8/XJ8231hangarFeb82AiX.jpg


http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll199/MandatorV8/XJ8232hangarFeb82AiX.jpg

olympusman
07-04-2009, 19:39
Thanks all !

canberra
07-04-2009, 19:40
All the V bombers were designed to fit in to a C hangar, saw three in a hangar at Waddington in 78 when I flew out of there in VC10.

mawganmad
07-04-2009, 20:36
As Canberra says above, indeed all the V bombers types were serviced in the C hangars at St Athan, Victors later moved into the D hangars.

Stevo where is your last pic taken at?

mawganmad
07-04-2009, 20:43
I would date them late 70's early 80's going on the markings on the Vulcans.

I would concur with that, the Vulcans have got the RWR tail fairings and nose nipple mods. One slightly odd thing is that one of the aircraft has the earlier coloured radome, but could have been a left over from stores..

I think Vulcans (alone as a V bomber in the 70s-80s) did still have a QRA dispersal plan well after they lost the nuclear deterant, they definatley used to turn up as a four ship to Mawgan on detachment excercises. I would guess this was in the conventional and tactical nuclear delivery role.

Stevo
07-04-2009, 21:57
Stevo where is your last pic taken at?

Middleton St George

;)

mawganmad
07-04-2009, 22:05
That will explain the TNT BAe146 then! Nice pic.

P Bellamy
07-04-2009, 22:22
Bellamy,
Do you perhaps have a plan of Waddington to give me an overview of this field?

Sorry, I don't.
I was going through the Vulcan bases in order via Google Earth until I could match up the hedgeline between the dispersals when Stevo posted the location.

All the best,
PB