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buccaneer66

05-09-2009, 08:07

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REF

05-09-2009, 11:19

Nice find Buccaneer, where abouts is it at Atcham?

buccaneer66

05-09-2009, 12:55

The building is about here http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=52.694361&lon=-2.628819&z=18.5&r=0&src=msl it's marked No 61 on the plan that you sent me & there is also another building about here http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=52.694361&lon=-2.628819&z=18.5&r=0&src=msl it could be the remains of No 52 the flight offices a small ruined entrance is right next to the road but barbed wire & undergrowth defeated me.

Dave Smith

17-09-2009, 12:07

There are the remains of an SAA store (I think) in the wood in the foreground of the nice aerial shot. On the edge of the wood, facing towards the dual carriageway, is a very overgrown pillbox. As I remember, it is not marked on the airfield plan.

norwichpaul

22-10-2009, 10:11

Atcham Watch Office with Met Section. Date and photographer unknown

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/norwichpaul/Atchamggg.jpg

ianbache

13-02-2010, 17:30

This airfield is just 3 miles from me,i had a look around last week,not much left though ,but found these on the net,
from 1944/1945

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/300px-Atchamairfield-9may1946.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/Atcham-1.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/Atcham-1b.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/Atcham-1c.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/russ.jpg

buccaneer66

13-02-2010, 19:27

Ian

there should be a battle HQ here http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=52.682801&lon=-2.621549&z=17.2&r=0&src=msa and a seagull trench here http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=52.68789&lon=-2.626508&z=17.2&r=0&src=msa I didn't have time to search for them when I visited as most of my time was at Wroxeter.

This is the seagull trench http://www.pillbox-study-group.org.uk/seagulltrenchpage.htm

ianbache

13-02-2010, 19:40

Here you are Chris,some images of the said Seagull Trench,
hope you tried the Wroxeter wine (bloody romans) good stuff though!

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/seagulltrench2.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/seagulltrench6.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/seagulltrench28.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/seagulltrench25.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/seagulltrench26.jpg

norwichpaul

13-02-2010, 19:58

Excellent pictures!

PETERTHEEATER

14-02-2010, 07:15

Presumably the guy on the bike is propped up in an 'e-pen'?

Re pic 3 of the Seagull Trench, was that 'salient' jutting out there to allow defenders to draw a bead on flanking attackers?

I looked at PSG but it's not certain:

http://www.pillbox-study-group.org.uk/seagulltrenchpage.htm

Carnaby

14-02-2010, 12:50

Presumably the guy on the bike is propped up in an 'e-pen'?
Yes, I think so too. If you were a real anorak you could work out which one. I had a brief look at the site plan and got a bit confused.

The picture above of the tower complex is from the west.

Graham

buccaneer66

14-02-2010, 13:49

From the angle of the hangar and tower it looks like it's somewhere near M&E plinth 104 & the Machine gun post.

Carnaby

14-02-2010, 16:50

From the angle of the hangar and tower it looks like it's somewhere near M&E plinth 104 & the Machine gun post.

Yes - in which case the cyclist is at the aircraft pen adjacent to M&E 105. Note these pens are the twin-engined 'B' types, not the single-engined 'A' types (which were the shape of a letter 'E') Confusing or what :confused:

Just noticed that most of the dispersed sites are now woodland (Anything inside?), and the station also had an emergency ops block site, 'HQ 9 Group, AIR III' unfortunately nothing remains.

Graham

ianbache

28-02-2010, 22:17

sorry about the quality,having been scanned

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/atchamy.jpg

Major Millers office

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/atcham7.jpg

Student reading room

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/atcham001.jpg

MT Section

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/atcham002.jpg

ColinA

20-01-2011, 10:03

E-Pens
First post so be gentle with me please.
Went to have a look at the E-Pens at Atcham.
The undergrowth has died back making access possible.
There are the remains of three pens.
S/W pen demolished with only shelter remaining.
Middle pen with embankments partly removed shelter good.
N/W pen complete retaining earth banks.

The partial demolition shows construction quite well

3836
3839
Entrances from pens into shelters
3837
Entrances from inside shelter L/H into pen R/H back of pen
3838
Construction of shelter roof from pre-form concrete ribs.

ColinA

20-01-2011, 10:14

Three pillboxes all of the same design in woodland East of airfield.
All brick built with three firing ports.
Low door to rear for access.
Also in woods are small huts (Crew huts?)
3842
Typical portal
3843
Entrance "hands & knees"
3845
M/G mount
The best of these are totally complete & still with wooden knob on elevation handle.

Were the mounts for "Lewiss" guns?

buccaneer66

20-01-2011, 20:59

Nice one Colin when I visited I couldn't get into the E pens as he undergrowth was so thick but did take pictures of the sleeping shelter.

PETERTHEEATER

21-01-2011, 07:33

Colin, are the three PBs those located around Raveshaws Gorse Wood?

The MG mounts are Turnbull mounts which were configured to take a variety of MGs whatever was available and may have included Lewis guns.

There are supposed to be three Small Arms Ammunition Stores (SAA Stores) in the wood. Can you confirm that?

ColinA

21-01-2011, 13:34

There were more buildings in the woods
3873
3874
Door at one end with "window at the other.
Ventilators in end walls & evidence of electric lighting.

Lots of "remains" in the wood
Wire picket spikes and old beer bottles.
Behind one of the pillboxes is a small electric stove of possible WW2 style.
I cannot belive any Shropshire civilian would have had an electric stove so my be relic.
3875

Good place for a solo walk at the moment :idea:

Full size pics avaliable if required

buccaneer66

21-01-2011, 16:08

Did you find the seagull trench Colin?

ColinA

21-01-2011, 17:20

No:cry:
I know where it is but that's for another day along with the Battle HQ.

buccaneer66

21-01-2011, 21:29

Yes I'd like to get to that as well I run out of time when I went exploring as I'd been to Wroxeter before the airfield.

PETERTHEEATER

22-01-2011, 08:02

Colin, thanks for the pics of the SAA Stores. You will note (in your image No 1) that there is a vertical bow handle set in the wall either side of the doorway piers. There should be a similar but horizontal foot iron at the base. The upper ventilators were adjustable and by putting a foot on the 'tread iron' and grabbing the bow handle with one hand an average man could stretch up and operated the ventilator slide with the free hand. (and you thought it was for cleaning muddy gum-boots:))

ColinA

01-02-2011, 15:03

Went to investigate the Battle HQ shown on the Defence of Britain site today.
The position shown is a wooded copse in a field.
Unfortunatly there is no sign of a structure.
The southern end has old trees growing which would pre-date WW2.
No sign of concrete & site is too low just to be covered over.
Any ideas welcome.

ColinA

01-02-2011, 15:09

KMZ overlay of air photograph.
3981

buccaneer66

01-02-2011, 19:55

The RSP puts the BHGQ about here http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=52.689813&lon=-2.637664&z=18.1&r=0&src=msl

Danbuoy

13-02-2011, 14:49

Hi, does anyone have a plan of Atcham airfield? Planning a visit as its the nearest 8th AF airfield to where I live, but unfortunately it isn't included with the plans in Mighty Eighth war manual.

Carnaby

13-02-2011, 15:24

Hi, does anyone have a plan of Atcham airfield?
After the Battle / Motorbooks used to do one (No.151, 231/45) but I note it's no longer available.
RAFM Hendon is your best bet.

http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?393-RAFM-Airfield-Site-Plans-Parts-1-2-amp-3-%28In-Stock%29

ColinA

13-02-2011, 15:46

Hi, does anyone have a plan of Atcham airfield? Planning a visit as its the nearest 8th AF airfield to where I live, but unfortunately it isn't included with the plans in Mighty Eighth war manual.

The main points of interest are on the "Defence of Britain" KMZ file.
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=863080
Open this in Google earth
There is very little to see on the industrial estate as everything has been re-worked.
However still some bits if you find them.
HINT (Listen out for shooting before entering woodland)

Danbuoy

13-02-2011, 20:38

Thanks for the info! Are the original T2 hangars still on the industrial estate? I know they have at least been re-clad, but was hoping they hadn't been replaced completely with new buildings.

REF

13-02-2011, 21:23

Yep they are still there, but they are not T2 hangars, they are Callender Hamilton Hangars.
http://airfields.fotopic.net/atcham

tigger

19-03-2011, 13:56

BHQ (permission to access it was not granted):

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p267/trunktemp/Airfields/Atcham/Atcham3.jpg

The nearby seagull (and again, permission to access it refused):

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p267/trunktemp/Airfields/Atcham/Atcham.jpg

Danbuoy

23-03-2011, 22:55

At least it's still possible to get reasonable shots, especially of the seagull trench. Was any reason given for not allowing access? Seems a shame when all someone wants to do is take a few photos close up and then leave. What are the grid references of these two?

winco

12-11-2011, 14:21

Being local to this Airfield and rather confronted by the reports of members being refused to view certain elements. I ask you to contact me by e-mail sirjohn@oldcolonial.org.uk. Once we have enough interest for a Saturday group visit, you can leave it to me to sort out any permissions for this purpose. I would suggest some day during next spring before vegetation becomes a problem.................Now the who of you know of the existence of an underground 120 seat cinema on the site that had steps down to it and was bricked up and left very much internally as it was on the day. Yes tree roots may have invaded or NOT as the case may be. Let us find out! I know the wood it is supposed to be in so how about a sortie?

PETERTHEEATER

13-11-2011, 07:51

Welcome to AiX winco. An underground cinema? Now that's different! In my experience, I find that local people often have stories of buried aircraft and the like and underground hangars. As you are probably aware, the Battle Headquarters was one of the few structures that was (sometimes) underground so to confirm such a large structure as a 120 seat cinema would be wonderful. And what better way to find out than a field visit. I think that a number of AiX members will be interested in your kind offer.

I have found a couple of reports (unconfirmed) that there were three Small Arms Ammunition (SAA) stores located in Raveshaws Gorse Wood but nothing is shown on 1962 mapping other that three pillboxes so, if you have any knowledge of where the SAA stores were located I should like to know. There are scant remains of some of the Fighter 'E'-Pens and it was usual on fighter airfields to locate stocks of SAA around the perimeter adjacent to groups of dispersals.

tigger

13-11-2011, 12:47

Carnaby

13-11-2011, 20:48

I have found a couple of reports (unconfirmed) that there were three Small Arms Ammunition (SAA) stores located in Raveshaws Gorse Wood but nothing is shown on 1962 mapping other that three pillboxes.
They are shown on the RSP 231/45. together with the 'entrance' guard hut. They are type 'B' - also another three elsewhere, plus four type 'D' elsewhere. All to drawing 6A/81/42.

Unusually this airfield had two ops block sites. The second was the emergency site, and the block was type 'No.9 Group Air III' Main ops block was a 5291-5/41, and seems huge on the RSP - about 180 ft in length. Both sites had PB cable diversion blocks.

Wiki reckons the hangars are T2s. Oh dear!

PETERTHEEATER

14-11-2011, 06:51

They are shown on the RSP 231/45. together with the 'entrance' guard hut. They are type 'B' - also another three elsewhere, plus four type 'D' elsewhere. All to drawing 6A/81/42.

Thanks Carnaby; a new Drawing Number to add to my list! I assume that these were Nissen but under a local drawing number?

winco

14-11-2011, 09:09

Hi all.............Yes I do believe that this airfield will drop into the category that you refer to with emergency ops blocks. What I have noticed although very new to your group is that your inquiries relate heavily to the area of the control tower and runways. I see little in the way of the expanded area, save for the photograph (2009) at the start of this thread. Now then forgive me for the following as it may be "teaching Grandma to suck eggs" if not then it will be of use.

I have over the years generally concentrated my idle efforts on the top left hand corner of this photo, not because of the photo but for the reason of having shot over the area as far back as 1965. That top left corner holds much in the way of evidence and is some distance away form the main group buildings. I will do a google earth with highlights and post it shortly. This top left corner shows the A5 towards Shrewsbury, on the right is Tern Lodge, this I believe was the main entrance to the Airbase or to MT section. Opposite you have the junction left towards Ironbridge. In the photo again you can see top left a wood just showing the river behind. This is known as Ishmere wood. It is this wood that I believe a 120 seat, some say 40 seat cinema that doubled as something else lay underground with a small number of additional underground structures.

B and D Ops yes I agree and (D) what a good place to put it I feel, so emergency Ops (D) not too far away underground in what was probably a sparse wood in the 40's. Just outside the main entrance or a entrance to MT section makes a lot of sense in my book. Surely the USAAF would have considered the servicemen with regard to a film or two.

Ishmere wood referred to in my reply to another of today does carry evidence of two or three other buildings, so I hope this info may assist your quest. Indeed for the spring when veg is low will try for a block permission and we can get into the wood and have a group scrub around. Strange really as on the base next to Tern Lodge I also remember some suggestion of a small P.O.W camp on the base which later was turned into pre-fabricated living quarters for Polish War demobs and was still in use up until the end of the fifties.

Carnaby

14-11-2011, 10:49

on the right is Tern Lodge, this I believe was the main entrance to the Airbase or to MT section ... Ishmere wood ... B and D Ops yes I agree and (D) what a good place to put it I feel, so emergency Ops (D) not too far away underground in what was probably a sparse wood in the 40's.

Tern Lodge, according to British Listed Buildings, at SJ555 0934 is over a mile from the main entrance which was at 568 101. The entrance to the MT section was 500 feet NNW of the latter.

'B' and 'D' don't refer to the Operations sites, but to the types of SAA stores.

Tern Lodge was the entrance to Site 6, Sick Quarters. I can't locate Ishmeer Wood, but there is Ishmore Coppice which was the location of the main Ops Block site here (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.67918242270674&lon=-2.6569586992263794&gz=18&oz=9&gt=1)

Just north-east of here, in Attingham Deer Park, is a coppice called 'Officer's Mess', (let's hope they had more than one officer!), which was Communal Site 4, . The Attingham Park web site mentions semi-underground blast shelters where ' Each trench has a small room at one end where several people would have been able to hide if necessary, but the trenches themselves would have protected people from debris if a bomb had been dropped nearby.

The Emergency Ops was here (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.67728302341965&lon=-2.642866373062134&gz=18&oz=8&gt=1). No trace today.

Just to the south, I note there is a 'museum' at SJ5653 0874. Wonder what it is ?

buccaneer66

14-11-2011, 12:24

Graham

The museum is the EH museum for Viroconium, Roman Wroxeter.

REF

23-11-2011, 14:14

Some photos I took at Atcham on 31 May 2008

Callender Hamilton Aircraft Shed (Building 1)
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Atcham/20080531Atcham1-1.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Atcham/20080531Atcham2-1.jpg

Callender Hamilton Aircraft Shed (Building 3)
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Atcham/20080531Atcham5-1.jpg

Runway 01/19. Looking north from the entrance to the business park
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Atcham/20080531Atcham7-1.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Atcham/20080531Atcham6-1.jpg

Runway 12 threshold
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Atcham/20080531Atcham8-1.jpg

Runway 12/30. Looking south east
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Atcham/20080531Atcham10-1.jpg

P Bellamy

25-12-2012, 20:57

The Emergency Ops was here (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.67728302341965&lon=-2.642866373062134&gz=18&oz=8&gt=1). No trace today.

The 1999 GE coverage shows the floorplan of a 75'x45' building in the eastern corner of that field.
There is a small brick building in the northern corner which has what appears to be a blast wall when looked at in Streetview.

Do either of those match up with the RSP?
(Bearing in mind that the 1999 coverage also reveals a fair bit of the Roman town under the turf)

Danbuoy

29-03-2013, 18:36

Thinking of visiting Atcham on Monday, weather permitting. Its long been on my list of Eighth AF airfields, but despite it being less than an hour away, I've never been there! How easy is it to gain access to the old runways and also the wood with the pillboxes and huts (Ravenshaws Gorse)? I notice the area isn't exactly blessed with public footpaths! Also, are there 3 re-clad Callendar-Hamilton hangars? Any other buildings on the business park? And lastly, where were most of the dispersed sites, and is anything left of them?

buccaneer66

29-03-2013, 19:00

Along side the road you'll find sleeping shelters & remains of fighter pens

ColinA

30-03-2013, 09:10

On the good side there are no "keep out" notices.
However people have been refused permission to visit the seagull trench.
There is access into the wood and the E pens but I suggest just being low key.
Also best to look / listen for shooting in the woode before entering.

Danbuoy

30-03-2013, 14:19

Thanks! Whereabouts are the E pens?

ColinA

30-03-2013, 14:32

On the opposite side of the road to the factory entrance in some scrubland.
If you look at the picture on post 12 on the first page you should be able to wowk it out.

Danbuoy

01-04-2013, 18:24

Spent a couple of hours at a bitterly cold Atcham today. Here are a few pics...

Main runway/B4394 looking North East

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/119_zps6ed9602d.jpg

Perimeter track heading towards the Technical Site

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/123-1_zps52eec0a4.jpg

Building on opposite side of the road that runs behind the industrial estate. Not sure what it was, but I'm sure it would have been part of the Technical Site

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/132-1_zps7a7a7298.jpg

It was next to another building. In between the two, a barn has been built

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/137_zpsd4d0df65.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/138-2_zpsebdbe5e9.jpg

Perimeter track leading to West end of NW/SE runway

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/139_zps6b3a0cdb.jpg

NW/SE runway looking towards a particularly uninviting-looking Wrekin!

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/144_zpsf55f99b1.jpg

Track leading to end of N/S runway, just off the road to the industrial estate

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/156-1_zps28c038f2.jpg

One of the re-clad Callendar-Hamilton hangars

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/163-1_zpsa006a6ee.jpg

And from the other side

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/164-1_zpse8714916.jpg

More pics in next post!!

Danbuoy

01-04-2013, 18:32

I think this is the site of the third hangar. If you look on Google Street View, there is nothing here, so this must have been built fairly recently

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/165_zps8571f7c6.jpg

This is the other remaining re-clad hangar

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/171_zps0ce8e1a0.jpg

Shelters along B4394

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/172_zps03384c9f.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/177_zps7ce2993d.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/181_zps2d261ade.jpg

One of the pillboxes in Ravenshaws Gorse. I did get a shot of one of the others, but couldn't explore too far as it was quite boggy in places!

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/184-1_zps21da730a.jpg

Remaining hut in the same wood

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/188_zpsb2072a66.jpg

Perimeter track at North East corner of airfield

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/193-2_zps1219988b.jpg

And lastly, a possibly airfield related pile of rubble on one of the dispersed sites!

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/danbuoy/212-2_zps2c0d70cb.jpg

Had a look from the road at where the BHQ is apparently located, but couldn't see it. Also got some shots of Ismore Coppice, where the HQ site was, and also the lodge at the old sick quarters entrance, but nothing airfield related was visible! Also didn't manage to get a look at the seagull trench, but there's always next time!!

REF

02-04-2013, 22:47

Alot more there than I thought, thanks Dan

RS8V

01-06-2013, 20:57

Hi. I have been reading the forum for ages with much interest but felt I should register and post now because I was at Attingham Park yesterday and discovered the National Trust have recently set up a new "Walk" in the park, described as "The WW2 Walk". Obviously the WW2 content concerns the remote parts of Atcham.
First I need to test whether I can post photos correctly. This is the information board at the former hospital site, immediately east of Tern Lodge, north of the junction of the B4380 and B5061 (the former A5):

RS8V

01-06-2013, 21:16

The walk crosses the two channels of the River Tern in front of the mansion and heads south east to just short of Tern Lodge. This area was previously a "sanctuary" for the deer where the public were not normally admitted. You then enter what they call "Hospital Plantation". There is no evidence of the buildings now (not even the infamous underground hospital/cinema!). The current (?) (2005) 1:25000 Ordnance Survey map still shows the buildings, within a fenced compound that is now the plantation. Exiting the plantation, the route heads roughly north east to a small stream (just about discernable on the 25000 map) and a parallel strip of trees running NNE/SSW. East of that is a number of concrete hut bases, described on the information board as Officers' Quarters. To the east of those is a row of shelters. There are the remains of one other odd building (ablutions block?).

RS8V

01-06-2013, 21:34

Problems with uploading more photos. Will try again later. 3 photos remaining: the remains of the odd building between the Officers' Quarters and the shelters, plus two of the concrete road clearly seen on the 25000 map immediately south of "New Plantation". This road seems to go nowhere and there are no obvious traces of buildings near it. Maybe built in anticipation of further buildings that never appeared? What is on the map exists on the ground. It links up at the edge of the Estate with other tracks, to the Tech site and south east to the junction of the B5061 and B4394, reaching the public road just north of the house on the junction (a new track is being built off this to the north but it is on "virgin" land and does not use a pre-exisiting WW2 track.