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tigger
21-06-2009, 15:07
Interesting photos of C2 (naval not RAF in this case) tank internals

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/sho ... hp?t=23188 (http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=23188)

Engineer
21-06-2009, 15:33
Interesting photos of C2 (naval not RAF in this case) tank internals

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/sho ... hp?t=23188 (http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=23188)

I have a disc with all his pics and norwichpaul has visited the site.
Note the pulley and cable on the delivery pipe, seems to confirm a FFO site which is backed up by a pic that shows a heating coil in at least one tank.

there was some discussion at the time as Maker torpedo station was near and the MTBs were probably petrol?

PETERTHEEATER
22-06-2009, 09:57
But, there was also 'Plymouth Aviation Fuel Reserve Depot' located somewher just south of Cremyll point.

Presumably the RN tank farm is on a separate site?

With a 28 inch pace, the diameter of the tank measured on the 28DL site would be 105 feet which is consistent with our discussed estimates.

Engineer
22-06-2009, 14:18
There were some surface tanks in the area, possibly petrol?
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.35952 ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.35952&lon=-4.180018&z=17.2&r=0&src=msl)

All I have on Plymouth.

Thankes. (Operational).
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.38238 ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.382386&lon=-4.204357&z=15.9&r=0&src=msl)

Cremyll. (Derelict).
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.35048 ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.350482&lon=-4.185779&z=16.4&r=0&src=msl)

Buddle Wood. (Built over).
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.3527& ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.3527&lon=-4.096248&z=16.2&r=0&src=msl)

Turnchapel. (Derelict).
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.35582 ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.355824&lon=-4.114818&z=17.7&r=0&src=msl)

Peter Kirk
22-06-2009, 16:04
The Buddle Wood remains seem to show on the Flash Earth views, once you remove the road overlays.

This is from 2002 so it must have been built over soon after.

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/PNK_album/Buddlewood2002.jpg

I wonder if the owners of those new house are aware of what lied beneath? What I don't understand is how that strip of land was filled and stabalised in such a show time. Possible subsidence in 10 to 20 years?

Richard Drew
22-06-2009, 17:17
://www.atlantikwall.co.uk/atlantikwall/england/plym-fuel-depot01/html/page01.htm

http://www.atlantikwall.co.uk/atlantikwall/england/plym-fuel-depot04/pics/main06.jpg

http://www.atlantikwall.co.uk/atlantikwall/england/plym-fuel-depot05/pics/main06.jpg

PETERTHEEATER
23-06-2009, 07:22
Grief! I'm confusing myself!

I already had these plotted but not with geographical names.

Plymouth Aviation Fuel Reserve Depot was built in two stages. But, to confuse the unwary, Stage 1 was built on three separate sites. I have decided the following but would welcome any corrections.

Stage 1 - Site 1 -

Thankes. (Operational).
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.38238 ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.382386&lon=-4.204357&z=15.9&r=0&src=msl)

Stage 1 - Site 2

Turnchapel
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.35655 ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.356557&lon=-4.114679&z=17.9&r=0&src=msl)

Stage 1 - Site 3

Buddle Wood
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.35272 ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.352729&lon=-4.096639&z=17.1&r=0&src=msl)

Stage 2

Cremyll
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.35198 ... =0&src=msl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.35198&lon=-4.185411&z=17.5&r=0&src=msl)

A couple of questions:

1. What was the site imaged in the 28DL link? This appears to have heated tanks which implies heavy bunker fuel, not aviation spirit.

2. What is the site in Richard's Atlantikwall image?

EDIT: OK I see now that they are both Cremyll but was this really Stage 2 of Plymouth?

Richard Drew
23-06-2009, 12:30
http://www.atlantikwall.co.uk/atlantikwall/england/plym-fuel-depot01/html/page01.htm

Mine is Cremyll and I believed it was RN, all the buildings look NOT RAF? There are pipes down to the river/sea which I was under the impression that it was to re-fuel US landing craft.

PETERTHEEATER
24-06-2009, 07:33
That makes sense Richard, thanks.

Engineer
24-06-2009, 14:22
Just for general interest, the FFO pumps at Thankes.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t101/Mondeo2006/1050840_41889c59.jpg

Boiler House.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t101/Mondeo2006/628075_dfcdf5b0.jpg

Carnaby
27-06-2009, 11:18
Visited by myself and NP last year, there are some good views of Cremyll here (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=scsyjsgnjgg0&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&scene=12569021&encType=1) and here (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=scsnr9gnjbwm&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&scene=12569305&encType=1). The main tanks are hidden in this wood (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=scrkkwgnj55d&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&scene=12569310&encType=1) to the south.

Just for extra info -

ADM 116/5143 (Oil fuel supplies in conjunction with Operation `Overlord': manning arrangements for oil storage depots) lists the following storage in the Devonport area.

Saltash 1 x 325 ton and 1 x 40 ton
Turnchapel empty
Barnpool Lower - Cremyll Balancing Tank 1 x 40 ton

Also -
Mill Bay East - 2/1450 Furnace
Cremyll - 2/5000 Diesel
Barnpool - 1/900 Diesel
Saltash - 1/325 Diesel
Jupiter Point - 1/300 Diesel
Cattedown - (Heweys? Wharf) 1/40 + Gas Co. Tank unknown
Turnchapel - 2/40 Spirit
Calstock - 2/40 Spirit
Cattedown - (no tanks) Spirit

The majority of this is ship fuel. Perhaps the 'Spirit' refers to aviation fuel which they must have stored somewhere for the Aircraft Carriers.

Graham

PETERTHEEATER
28-06-2009, 06:16
Thanks Carnaby, that confirms that the wooded area I had marked as 'probable' is good.

The current 'Street Map' view shows four tanks is this area plus the pumphouse?

But if it is not Cremyll, did it have a name?

Carnaby
28-06-2009, 23:17
The current 'Street Map' view shows four tanks is this area plus the pumphouse?
Which Street Map are you referring to Peter?
When NP and I visited the area last Sept we came to the conclusion that the two tanks on the cliff edge were 'holding tanks' in which fuel going in and out of the bigger tanks in the woods would be checked for quality before sending or receiving it from vessels. We could be completely wrong.
First visit was to the cliff tanks in glorious sunshine. Second, two days later, was to the wood - accompanied by torrential rain which shortened the visit.

Graham

PETERTHEEATER
29-06-2009, 06:31
Streetmap.co.uk.

I should have posted the link; yer tis:

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=24 ... +Cornwall+ (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=245500&y=53500&z=120&sv=CREMYLL&st=3&tl=Map+of+Cremyll,+Cornwall+)[City/Town/Village]&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf

Zoom in one click and pan and you can see the tank markings in the wood.

Perhaps the site was known as Pigshill Wood? Anyway, it seems to have stored Navy diesel not aviation spirit.

PETERTHEEATER
12-07-2011, 05:46
Posted in another thread was this site which includes a photograph of a Fuel Depot burning following a bombing attack. C1 tanks, a high bund, can be seen adjacent to a railway bridge ( King George Bridge?) I am struggling to ID the location; it looks like Saltash but, was there a tank farm there?

Look at Photo # 8

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/07/world-war-ii-the-battle-of-britain/100102/

Powers
12-07-2011, 23:25
Re; post 15 above.

The photo of burning tanks in Plymouth was taken from a position looking across Hooe Lake towards Turnchapel. The old Turnchapel railway swing bridge is prominent in the centre and RAF Mount Batten is out of sight a short distance away to the left. It is several miles from the Saltash area.

Regards.....Paul

PETERTHEEATER
13-07-2011, 05:07
Thanks Powers, I have it now.

I did have it marked in GE but the file dropped out when I updated!

Turnchapel was Phase 2 of the overall aviation fuel depot.

When was the swing bridge demolished?

Powers
14-07-2011, 01:29
In answer to the above question, the Turnchapel swing bridge was demolished in the Autumn of 1963.

Coming across this thread has reminded me of the day a few years ago when I was asked to take part in a TV package about RAF Mount Batten. Thinking it would be about Sunderland flying boats etc (which I have some knowledge of), I agreed to do it and immediately set off with the film crew to the old MB slipway. To my surprise, during the journey the producer advised me that what was really required was informed discussion on underground fuel tanks that served MB during WWII, which had just been discovered at a building site in nearby Radford Dip (referred to as Buddle Wood on this thread). I quickly pointed out that I was the last person they needed as I knew absolutely nothing about fuel tanks and wasn't even aware of their existence in the locality. However, because of a tight deadline, the crew (who had already shot footage of the tanks) insisted that there was no time to get a replacement and convinced me to carry on - so I did!

All I can say is that I managed to waffle my way through the package with a totally false air of confidence and authority regarding Plymouth fuel tanks which even now causes me a certain feeling of embarrassment when I drive through the Radford Dip. I just wish that I'd had the opportunity to see this thread beforehand. Never mind!

Regards.....Paul

PETERTHEEATER
16-07-2011, 10:33
Thanks Paul for the date, and the anecdote!

Engineer
18-07-2011, 04:32
Thanks Paul for the date, and the anecdote!

Seconded.:)

Matty
26-08-2013, 18:25
I discovered this area myself as a young lad in the 70's. There were access hatches within the wooded area leading underground. At that time we found ammunition and a heavy calibre weapon along with wartime hazard warning signs. I remember it being cleared and not getting down any more than twice more.