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PETERTHEEATER
22-09-2009, 10:51
Can someone give me an NGR for the Mawcarse (Scotland) and Southburn (E. Yorks) FAD sites?

Carnaby
22-09-2009, 19:22
Can someone give me an NGR for the Mawcarse (Scotland) and Southburn (E. Yorks) FAD sites?

Visited Southburn, (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=53.969031,-0.480373&spn=0.004304,0.013733&t=h&z=17") SE996535,about 20 years ago, almost nothing left. Google shows only a concrete track leading to a concrete loop.

Mawcarse, (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=56.242098,-3.374112&spn=0.004233,0.013733&t=h&z=17) NO148063 was visited by NP and myself a long time ago. Long chat with the farmer who loaned me the enormous site plan. A couple of buildings remained then. Long thin accommodation site now developed.

Graham

Granite
22-09-2009, 22:25
If I had visited one of these FAD's when it was in use, what would I have seen?? I presume being on here its an ammo dump/depot for aircraft, but Mawcarse isn't near any front line airstrip, nearest being the training field at Balado, and Leuchars/Crail/Dunino being the nearest active airfileds???

Carnaby
22-09-2009, 23:45
If I had visited one of these FAD's when it was in use, what would I have seen??
Mawcarse (98 MU) began construction near Kinross during the summer of 1940 to supply bombs, ammunition and breathing oxygen to the whole of Scotland. In the early part of WWII it would receive its stocks by rail from 28MU Harpur Hill and was rated as a 750 ton depot. Stocks would be despatched by road to local airfields, but rail transport would be essential for this MU owing to the large area covered.

In the summer of 1941 work began on a 500 ton depot, 77 MU at Redcastle in Ross-shire to serve Scotland (north of Inverness).

Finger-in-the-air - 80% of bombs and ammo supplied through No.42 Group RAF went to Bomber Command. The remaining 20% was for everything else - Fighter / Coastal / Training Commands etc. Hence 98 and 77MU were relatively small depots. Lincolnshire and Yorkshire FADs would stock around 20,000 tons.

Most depots also held small stocks of mustard gas.

PLUG - see the next issue of Airfield Review - coming soon!

Graham

PETERTHEEATER
23-09-2009, 06:58
Thanks Graham,

I visited Southburn in (around) 1968 but my notes are in the UK and I did not have a specific location to hand. As I recall there were some temporary buildings and road structure and I took some photos (now at the bottom of the sea).

Mawcarse, never made it there but it must have been a fair size area.

Was it an austerity (surface spaced stacks) depot or did it have the purpose built HE Bomb Stores of the earlier FADs?

Carnaby
23-09-2009, 12:57
Mawcarse - Was it an austerity (surface spaced stacks) depot or did it have the purpose built HE Bomb Stores of the earlier FADs?
Very austerity! All the buildings and structures relate to accommodation and general communal stuff, with the exception of a 36' Nissen for rocket projectiles. I guess everything else was in the open.

The Google link to Southburn in post #2 has been corrected (by about 200 miles!)

Graham

Granite
23-09-2009, 18:03
many thanks Graham for your excellent response as usual. Its nice to get an idea what went on when out visiting a few crumbly bits of concrete.

Paul Francis
23-09-2009, 21:57
One has to join the ARG to get the magazine - to view Graham's piece - hint, hint!

PETERTHEEATER
24-09-2009, 05:56
Thanks Carnaby. Plenty of safety distance in Scotland in those days so spaced surface stacks was the cheap option.Also, I assume enemy air attacks were rare.

PETERTHEEATER
05-07-2010, 08:55
Whilst looking at Mawcarse (location) in Google Street View I came across this:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mawcarse&sll=52.721298,-0.902685&sspn=0.022406,0.055189&g=Great+Dalby,+Melton+Mowbray,+Leicestershire,+Uni ted+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mawcarse,+Kinross,+Kinross-Shire,+United+Kingdom&ll=56.23858,-3.366623&spn=0.009301,0.055189&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=56.238593,-3.366644&panoid=8YPBlI7RMurVcfS_HZcM_Q&cbp=11,291.32,,0,15.27

Since Mawcarse was active in the 1940s when pillbox building was raging, is it associated with the former FAD/AAP? The track to the left runs down to the disused railway where there was probably a railhead for the depot.

Carnaby
05-07-2010, 12:15
The track to the left runs down to the disused railway where there was probably a railhead for the depot.
Yes, Peter there was a siding here (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=56.23929853296167&lon=-3.368606957454597&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1). The Site Plan doesn't cover that fascinating pillbox, unfortunately.

The big white 'T' shape appears to the foundations of the house that is visible in Street View (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mawcarse&sll=52.721298,-0.902685&sspn=0.022406,0.055189&g=Great+Dalby,+Melton+Mowbray,+Leicestershire,+Uni ted+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mawcarse,+Kinross,+Kinross-Shire,+United+Kingdom&t=h&layer=c&cbll=56.240008,-3.368827&panoid=p6L74lVNN2QPLJ3uN39R3g&cbp=11,221.47,,0,5.76&ll=56.240011,-3.368833&spn=0.004102,0.033023&z=16) There seems to have been a lot of recent development which has obliterated anything that remained of the MU.

Graham

PETERTHEEATER
06-07-2010, 07:52
Strange (again) WTP is open on my PC but I can't get your link to work even in a separate tab because WTP wont open a second copy. Never mind. I shall see if CANMORE has anything on the 'defensive structure'