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Blackadder
30-09-2009, 16:28
Another airfield I can't find a thread for.

Photo taken in January 2007

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/anon240577/ShawburyJan07.jpg

ianbache
21-02-2010, 12:24
Hi all
had a walk around here on the way back from Sleap, just took a few shots whilst it was quiet

Stop Butts for testing aircraft cannon/machine guns,the aircraft had there tails lifted so to into the recess

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/DSC01474-1.jpg

Pillbox just outside of the fence near to a crash gate

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/DSC01473-1.jpg

Storage hangers off site

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/100_0440.jpg

Long range C type

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/DSC01476-1.jpg

ianbache
21-02-2010, 17:23
Found this one hiding under a tree

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/DSC01473.jpg

Smoggieboy
28-02-2010, 15:28
Don't ask !
Hanger 2
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/029-3.jpg

Hanger 3
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/013-5.jpg

Hanger 4
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/011-2.jpg

Old flying control
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/012-3.jpg

New control
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/025-1.jpg

Denis
27-03-2010, 18:19
What type of gun were these Turnbull mounts used for Peter?
The example below was salvaged from Hunsdon several years ago. I had thought watercooled Vickers 303.

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp24/airfieldimages/HA1.jpg
Image by Andrew Parkes


As for pillboxes, I still get my type 27's mixed up with type 24's!

PETERTHEEATER
28-03-2010, 08:48
That's correct; but could be adapted to other types.

It's all here:

http://www.pillbox-study-group.org.uk/Turnbullmountspage.htm

Paul Francis
08-04-2010, 20:24
Anyone live near Shawbury that would be able to photograph for me ASAP please three pillboxes at:

52.801847, -2.675546 - here (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.80184690130444&lon=-2.675545703809408&gz=19&oz=11&gt=1)

52.797994, -2.652082 - here (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.79799360490415&lon=-2.6520808156048994&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)

52.802398, -2.665526 - here (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.80239642021119&lon=-2.665521260969125&gz=19&oz=9&gt=1)

These are wanted urgently to finish an AiX project off. Just Google earth the Lat / long

Thanks,

Paul

canberra
05-05-2010, 19:22
I did my AATC course here in 78(late august- early october) and after I did the course I never returned to Shawbury. Unlike a lot of AATCs I didnt go to the annual 5 a side tournament and I didnt do a radar course and I failed the aptitude test for controller training.

What I do remember was that the block we occupied was made of metal(thyeve since been demolished I believe), it worried me when we had a thunderstorm one evening! Also one night we had a heavy frost so they put the heating on next day. In fact a couple of years later it set the record for the coldest temperature recorded in England.

EGDGZTCW
05-05-2010, 20:04
I did my AATC course here in 78(late august- early october) and after I did the course I never returned to Shawbury. Unlike a lot of AATCs I didnt go to the annual 5 a side tournament and I didnt do a radar course and I failed the aptitude test for controller training.

Yes, I went through in Nov 78...and like you, have never returned. I wish I had had a better look around while I was there though. Wednesday afternoon's was sports afternoon and we would go off to one of the hangars to play Badminton or kick a football about. The accomodation blocks were on the other side of the road, if memory serves me right and I'm of the same opinion, they've gone now.

Smoggieboy
05-05-2010, 21:58
I did TTF in 85 and am back as a civvie now !! The old blocks have been replaced by a floodlight sports pitch !! and a standbye car park. The blocks did contain asbestoes we were led to belive !!

Peter Kirk
05-05-2010, 22:59
I remember that cold spell -27C if I recall. I wasn't there of, course, just one of those things they mention on weather reports, temperatures at places most people have never heard of. Does it still hold the record?

canberra
06-05-2010, 18:25
So thats me you and Tom Docherty who are ex AATCS, any more out there?

Richard Flagg
08-05-2010, 10:15
A few from Shawbury taken 6 May 2010.

Aircraft Storage Shed Type D
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury114-1.jpg

Runway 18
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury154-1.jpg

SHQ with 11 FTS Badge
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury322-1.jpg

Gateguard - Westland Wessex HC.2 (XR516 / 9319M)
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury315-1.jpg

A couple of visiting Hawks with a resident Squirrel and the Tower in the background
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury78-1.jpg

canberra
08-05-2010, 13:26
For one day Shawbury held the record for the lowest temperature recorded in the UK, it was broken by Braemer the next night. As for England it was broken a couple of weeks later by Newport, thats Newport Shropshire.

dbish
13-06-2010, 12:52
So thats me you and Tom Docherty who are ex AATCS, any more out there?

We are out there......

Ex AATC and ATC, remember Tom Docherty's name though, but can't place where!

canberra
13-06-2010, 13:26
Sorry to be pedantic but Shawbury was II FTS not 11 FTS.

hardwoodjoint
04-11-2010, 02:24
Ex AATC here. Did my TT in 1972. and then posted to the ATC simulators in 1974
Nice to see the pics.
Cheers all
Tony Downunder

canberra
04-11-2010, 19:22
And Ive just noticed that the badge does indeed show 11(in roman numerals), which is indeed a major mistake. Before it became DHFS it was II FTS.

Barney
04-11-2010, 20:25
I did my assistant ATC course between February and March 1989. As a young, impressionable Army Air Corps soldier I was almost reduced to tears to be given a single man room, with a sink, having become used to a 10 man room at Oakington. When I got to the cookhouse I was immensely confused when a helpful chef asked me what I would like. 'There's a choice!' I replied. Not only did I thoroughly enjoy the course I was so overwhelmed by how the other half lived I put in for a transfer.

Smoggieboy
05-11-2010, 00:13
11 FTS was based at Shawbury May 1938 - March 42

http://www.rafweb.org/FTS.htm

For those ex AATC's the course is now 12 weeks ! long, and easier than 6 weeks !

EGDGZTCW
05-11-2010, 10:50
Crikey....twelve weeks !!

Aren't they known as Flight Ops Assistants now?

canberra
05-11-2010, 21:22
12 weeks waht on earth are they teaching them??? Although I always thought there should have been more met and nav, and more about things like customs clearances. My first posting was to an Ops room not a tower so things like airfield layouts werent that useful.

As for the 11/XI FTS badge, shows how confusing the use of Roamn numerals can be. Always remember an armourer at Marham telling me hed served on 11 Sqn rocks, in fact he meant 2/II Sqn. In fact he was bulls hitting!

canberra
05-11-2010, 21:50
And Ive just had a look at the RAF careers website and you have to have GCSE maths and english before you join up as an FOA, I didnt have a single O level or CSE when I joined up.

Smoggieboy
08-11-2010, 00:21
Did'nt need them when I joined up either but the tests scores required are that of a GD now ! So the the trade is getting its share of dulards now !! They are trying to combine AATC/FOA with scopies ! Remember if they could'nt pass TTF that was were they were booted off to! fail TTF and get sent to a better paid job.

Part of the course envolves a week tree hugging, climbing, canoing and horrible outside things that people do for fun !

canberra
09-11-2010, 23:34
There was talk of merging with the scopies when I was in, as for dullards I must admit I worked with a quite a few AATCs/FOAs who were a little bit on the thick side.

Newage
30-11-2010, 10:20
Does anybody know where ther Battle HQ is located at Shawbury, I can`t get a site plan from Hendon as it is still an active site, there is a picture in Pauls book on airfield defences
so I know it`s there some where.

Cheers Mike

Paul Francis
30-11-2010, 13:56
Actually having written over 20 pages on just how the airfield defence organisation worked at Shawbury, and then to actually find the BHQ was a real shot in the arm. It really did make my day and I felt quite humbled by the discovery. Cannot put its location on here though. PM me Newage.

ianbache
29-12-2010, 22:12
Here is a nice Pathe video of the navigation school to Gib, and photo of the Aries Aircraft at Shawbury

www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=47432


http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/avro_lancaster_i_pd328_eansShawbury1944.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/avro_lancaster_i_pd328-fgfa.jpg
although the last one may be Luga

Smoggieboy
31-01-2011, 18:49
This has recently appeared on a door on Hanger 2 which is 60 Sqn's, as per the zap !

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0008.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0009-Copy.jpg

Smoggieboy
16-03-2011, 23:15
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/018-6.jpg

This the hanger doors on hanger 3, showing the stop plates for the modified doors.

Smoggieboy
01-04-2011, 11:59
A visitor was taking pictures of the BHQ yesterday at Shawbury, as I was in the tower at the time I did'nt get chance to say hello.

Crash gate 2 is in the process of being moved further on to the airfield, its the crash gate near hanger 15 and has the old hanger 16 outside the wire, in private hands now. Its due to some of the land not actually owned by MOD so the landowner wants his bit of land back, so a new fence is being put in place behind the Watchman radar head area.
Its not land used by the helis so it won't make any difference to the flying activities at Shawbury.

Paul Francis
01-04-2011, 12:45
A visitor was taking pictures of the BHQ yesterday at Shawbury, as I was in the tower at the time I did'nt get chance to say hello.

Wonder who that was?

Smoggieboy
01-04-2011, 13:00
I asked our driver if the gentleman had light ! coloured hair but this gent had dark hair and said he was from the local area.

Brought my copy of Control Towers into Ternhill today and the controllers are having a good read of it as well, especially the Ternhill and Shawbury tower sections !

Newage
01-04-2011, 13:21
It was me......
The visit was arranged through Sqn ldr Hope, i went up to
RAF Shawbury a few weeks back looking for the BHQ but
Found that it was in RAF land, the RAF did not even know
It was there.

As some of you may know I'm researching the locations and
Condition of all the BHQ's around the UK.

So far Iv done 67 when I get up to about 100 I'll be
Going live with the online data base.

And just to keep ctpie happy all have full 8 fig os grid
Ref.

Cheers mike

Smoggieboy
01-04-2011, 13:58
Ah right, hello then, I was training someone in the VCR so could'nt do the driving and get to meet you. The CRO asked me a few weeks ago where it was and had to refer to Paul's info about it to let the CRO identify it ! Hope you got all the pictures you needed.

Smoggieboy
02-04-2011, 19:59
He's on 01939 250351 Ext 7572

Molesworth
03-06-2011, 13:17
Found on the Shropshire Star website:
http://tinyurl.com/5wso4xh

At least one Argosy in the background.

Smoggieboy
04-06-2011, 09:31
The ground controller may have out of shot to the right(on the local controller's left side) we don't have a ground controller today, us assistants do it all, its called information as we don't hold a controlling ticket.

Molesworth
04-06-2011, 11:11
My only recollection of Shawbury prior to 94 were a couple of days at the beginning of 89 as I was crashing and burning on the Controllers course. The Local Controller sat on the right and the Ground Controller on the left. The chairs were on a dais so you had to be careful no to push back too far or you would take a tumble. The Assistant would be sat in what seemed to be a cubby hole at the far right.

I don't know when "Ground" became a common position in RAF airfields. On my first tour at Wyton in 1978 it was just a Local Controller and Assistant in the VCR given that there were three squadrons of Canberras plus the Nimrods and Devons. The Assistant was supposed to monitor an unofficial Information frequency which was set up on an ARC 52, I suspect this procedure might have been introduced to replace the "Monitors" position had been recently disestablished. I do recall that there were places had unofficial Ground positions manned by people who had not passed any course, at Lyneham in the mid 80's it was common for the Local Assistant to take over Ground when there was a controller shortage.

Things have changed in the last few years and there seems to be a trend to regularise everything. Shawbury has many peculiarities and non standard procedures which many people have had problems adjusting to. In the past these have been accepted or tolerated but as regimes change we never know what's around the next corner.

canberra
04-06-2011, 14:27
My first posting was Marham in 78 and there was no ground controller or even a caravan! At Gutersloh in 84 we had ground control but only between 8 and 5 monday to friday. When the photo was taken Shawbury was just the ATC school and the only flying was AFAIK the school JPs so I suspect there wasnt really enough traffic to justify a ground control position.

Laskarina
19-06-2011, 21:57
Ref. to Barney and his comments on food at Shawbruy. I have to admit to being amazed at the good food way back in 1960, yes I now its a long time ago. The food then was help yourself with a good choice. We even had a cheese board. Late shift meals after an evening on the teleprinter was to be looked forward to. A very enjoyable station, I still drive past on a regular basis. Happy days...

Barney
21-06-2011, 20:47
We had a visit to Shawbury's tower during my AATC course in 1989 (course 710). I don't remember the position or function of the controllers there, but the duty pilot was a grizzled Army Air Corps Warrant Officer, who I presume was an instructor with 2FTS. He was as surprised as I was to see a fellow Air Corps soldier on the base and after we had exchanged the pleasantries that could have reasonably passed between a long in the tooth WO and an Air Trooper, he said, 'If the Crabs give you any s**t, you come and find me.' As I descended from the VCR with the rest of my course one of the women, ACW Dean I think, asked, 'What are crabs?' After I told her, she slapped me.

Molesworth
21-06-2011, 22:19
The aircrew don't even come and annoy us as the duty aircrew anymore, they stay in the squadron and do it all from there.
We must have scared them off !!
Not quite correct. Prior to DHFS the Duty Instructor was supplied by CFS(H). The post of Oic Flying was created with the advent of DHFS, he had an office in the Tower and was responsible amongst other things for the supervision of flying. Each squadron has always had its own Duty Instructor. In recent years there has been almost constant reorganisation with posts becoming disestablished. Once the wheel has turned full circle it's only a matter of time before someone reappears in that particular seat.

Vegaskip
05-11-2011, 21:02
Hi I'm new on the forum, can't add a lot about Shawbury. I did my ATC course there in 1965 as a Leading Naval Airman, it certainly was a change having single rooms from a crowded messdeck. My main memory was the friendly WAFS, ( first night on base they organised a 'meet the Navy ' night at The Fox and Hounds pub) I have a course photo
6523
Me 3rd from the left back row
It was my only time with the RAF and thoroughly enjoyed it, I even passed the course despite all the distractions.
Jim

Vegaskip
06-11-2011, 15:10
Hi Canberra, Remember this was 1965, we had Lossie , Arbroath. Abottsinch, Ballykelly, Eglington, Brawdy, Yeovil, Lee on Solent, Culdrose even a wee one for Dartmouth. and of course, Halfar and Sembawang in Singapore, and all our 'Mobile ones,Eagle Ark Royal etc etc.
The course we did was what the Navy called The ATC Basic. Our Branch was Aircraft Handler, we did most of the non technical stuff, mainly moving a/c afloat and ashore, operating flight deck equipment (lifts, Projector sight etc.) The other part of or job was Fire Rescue, on all naval air bases the Fire station was manned by our branch, and if that wasn't enough we did ATC as well. ATC jobs were considered the 'plum' jobs as there were comparatively few.
Regards Jim

Smoggieboy
11-11-2011, 23:22
A few pics of the MT yard with MT control at the far end of the yard
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0094.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0093.jpg

Richard Flagg
23-11-2011, 15:47
Some more photos of Shawbury I took on 6 May 2010

New Tower
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury453-1.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury457-1.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury2-1.jpg

CFI Block
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury427-1.jpg

Visiting Hawk's
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury85-1.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury91-1.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury94-1.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury90-1.jpg

Scout gate guard
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury248-1.jpg

Derelict Wessex
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/SHROPSHIRE/Shawbury/20100506Shawbury5-1.jpg

Smoggieboy
10-01-2012, 21:13
Better not post my course pic, I'm slim, young and got hair ! It'll be too depressing !

Dr_Bishop
10-01-2012, 22:44
Better not post my course pic, I'm slim, young and got hair ! It'll be too depressing !

Posted mine - roger the above! 365 AATC jeez and of course still good looking on 198 JATCC.

Now comes the threat do I post them up?

Dr_Bishop
10-01-2012, 22:53
Come on Smoggieboy I have posted mine, I dare you too!

As I said in an earlier post we have WFU's on our course:

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz231/da_bish/AATC0365.jpg

Several years later, sporting a similar haircut, surprisingly both cut/done at Shawbury:

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz231/da_bish/198JATCC.jpg

Oh and by the way, my Uncle was a QHI at Shawbury just as I left in October 1986.

canberra
11-01-2012, 20:23
Blimey the officer Tabbron, another mr keen. He charged the duty clerk one weekend. And I suppose its a sign of my AATC days that I only recognised two people in those pictures, I suppose thats becasue I never graced area radar.

Smoggieboy
11-01-2012, 20:45
Blimey a young Ivan with a trophy, I gave him a lift from work to the village this afternoon ! and Roger is still an instructor, saw him today as well !!
Dodd was my block SNCo approx 4 months earlier at Cottesmore as well ! Think Haynes was an instructor a few years ago as well.

canberra
11-01-2012, 21:07
Back in 94 the then Air Commodore Wood paid a visit to the tower at Cranwell, IIRC he was just about to retire. A couple of weeks later is successor also paid us a visit. And about a month later it was announced that wed won the Cossor trophy. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think they were giving us a check out to see if we were as good as our report said we were. And I was on detachment when the dinner was held!!!

Dr_Bishop
11-01-2012, 21:12
Blimey a young Ivan with a trophy, I gave him a lift from work to the village this afternoon ! and Roger is still an instructor, saw him today as well !!
Dodd was my block SNCo approx 4 months earlier at Cottesmore as well ! Think Haynes was an instructor a few years ago as well.

Good Grief! Pass my regards onto Hoppy for me, was a very good course cdr, plus old Ivan - nice bloke. Was Doddy still canoeing back then? As for Officer Tabbron, that surprises me as he was a bit of alcohol artist back then. As for my old mucker back then Mr Haynes, why does that not surprise me he instructed!

Proves the old saying wrong, those who can't - instruct!

canberra
11-01-2012, 21:29
Dave, I was of course in ops when Mr Tabbron arrive but he was a very keen young officer. IIRC his girlfriend then fiancee then wife then ex wife was on the course behind.

Odi
23-01-2012, 14:18
Just found this web site; the pictures of Shawbury bring back memories, especially those of the control tower. I worked at Shawbury as one of the first civilian assistants from 1997-1999 before escaping to join NATS as a controller. The TTF course I did was only 4 weeks long although I seem to remember the later civvie AATCs did the 8 week course.

canberra
23-01-2012, 19:08
So when did the course become 8 weeks? I did 6.

Smoggieboy
23-01-2012, 20:08
Think its 12 now but that includes a week of tree hugging

canberra
23-01-2012, 20:11
12 weeks, now that is interesting. It was 12 weeks until the early seventies, I believe it was cut to 6 after morse was cut from the course.

Could someone find out whats been added to the course?

Smoggieboy
23-01-2012, 20:38
According an ex TTF instructor not a lot, its now a soft and fluffy TTF, a few days are spent visiting a front line ! unit, normally Coningsby and the sims are padded out as well.

EGDGZTCW
23-01-2012, 20:53
It was six weeks for me, the only visit was to EGOS tower and courses were queing up to go through. I know a few faces in those photo's...happy days.

canberra
23-01-2012, 21:31
Yes our only visit was to Shawbury tower, but we got a flight in a Whirlwind! And yes courses were queuing up when I was there too, in fact there was such a backlog that one intake was sent on a fortnights leave as soon as they got to Shawbury.

Smoggieboy
01-02-2012, 19:17
The hanger door support beams(for want of a correct name !) are in the process of being removed !

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0302.jpg
Still at one end

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0301.jpg
Gone at the other

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0300.jpg
There

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0299.jpg
Nearly gone

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0298.jpg
Ready for the scrapman ?

This is Hanger 1 at the mo, believe all of the domestic side hangers will suffer the same fate !
Further to this at the moment on the domestic side of the hangers are suffering this fate, the side that faces the airfield have not been removed yet, possibly they are waiting for the weekend but several of them have security camera's and lights on.

Dr_Bishop
01-02-2012, 22:52
Yes our only visit was to Shawbury tower, but we got a flight in a Whirlwind! And yes courses were queuing up when I was there too, in fact there was such a backlog that one intake was sent on a fortnights leave as soon as they got to Shawbury.

It was a month for me! Sent to Leuchars (family lived just outside Glasgow), SNCO i/c said to me, all I will learn is bad habits. Go home and come back the day before you have to leave here.

Then two weeks on Pool Flight, first week spent in the WRAF Block updating SNCO i/c WRAFs documents and manuals! Wonderful week and a great introduction to the real RAF after Swinderby, how deeply was I let down 8 weeks later at Lossiemouth!

PerezMapManBush
13-02-2012, 09:57
RAF Shawbury map from pb-photos.com

7846

Smoggieboy
13-02-2012, 21:37
Nice map but we don't have a Ground/GND position its Information as its not manned by a controller but us lovely Assistants.

Also the parking spots on the South Eastern taxiway are not used and are partially removed as they were only used for Squirrel
parking when the main dispersal was re laid a few years ago we only park Chinooks or Merlins there now.

Molesworth
13-02-2012, 22:34
I'm flattered to find out that Smoggie thinks I'm "Lovely." D15 has eluded the cartographer, maybe the turf on the roof has camouflaged it. 376.675 isn't LARS

Smoggieboy
13-02-2012, 23:59
I'm def lovely !! bit of a miserable git when in the mob but now I'm a civil servant( yes boo to you as well !!) AATC I'm very lovely ! Ha !!
We've heard a rumour D15/Hangar 15 may be up for disposal and crash gate 2 will be moved further on to the airfield as the
landowner wants his land back ! A newer crash gate is in place but not in use yet as is a newer fence as well.

Smoggieboy
21-02-2012, 21:08
Mini bowser and shed at Shawbury

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0355.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0356.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0356-1.jpg
Our mini snow plough !

smiler16
21-02-2012, 22:51
i am amazed a tanker shed been used for tankers lol. every where else i been there used for storage for rubbish and office furniture.
Bout time they were used for the primary task.
And the plough looks cool first time i seen a tug like that with one on

thanks rich

Smoggieboy
26-02-2012, 16:10
OK I know its not actual airfield buildings but these posters are still on a wall in 14 Hangar !
Sorry bout the quality, I'll use my camera next time instead of mobile !
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/Photo0222.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/Photo0221.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/Photo0220.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/Photo0219.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/Photo0223.jpg

canberra
26-02-2012, 17:01
The poster about flash calls is interesting, well mit is to me anyway. How many times in the tower did a 333 call turn out to be a wrong number? I think I took 2 333 calls that were genuine.

Odi
16-03-2012, 19:42
The only genuine 333 call I took was just after the Station PBX operators were all made redundant and a central switchboard was used (Nottingham or Northampton for Shawbury, from memory?) to direct calls. We had an emergency (engine fire in one of the storage hanger IIRC) and I was the Information Assistant in the tower; I made all the relevant calls as per the protocol and was speaking to the Fire Service on the Storno when the 333 line rang. Wondering what else could go wrong I answered it to find the civilian operator informing me of the emergency on the airfield. I told her that I knew as I had already told her that and hung up!

Smoggieboy
23-03-2012, 20:19
Took a picture of this last month as I thought it was going to be demolished ! Seen workers today looking as they are renovating it, used to be a classroom for CATCS but they stopped using it a while ago.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0340.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0343.jpg

Smoggieboy
26-03-2012, 20:28
Drove past it today and they were red leading(or its modern H+S equivalent) the roof.

Smoggieboy
04-04-2012, 18:51
Heres a pic of 'A Site' guardroom taken this afternoon.
Its now used by the airfield and domestic electrician as their rest room

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0569.jpg

Smoggieboy
26-04-2012, 20:07
Unfortunately this guardroom was demolished yesterday as this morning it was a pile of rubble, a building opposite was also demolished as well. I managed to get some pics of both buildings yesterday before the dirty deed! Sorry about the images but was chucking it down and I was lifting my camera above the dreaded green safty netting of death !!

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0611.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0610.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0609.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0608.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0606.jpg

Opposite building

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0604.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0602.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0603.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0601.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0599.jpg

Smoggieboy
28-04-2012, 17:15
Sorry but got a few more piccies in the rain !

This is the site of the demolished hangar 12.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0612.jpg

These are the remains of the door rails.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0613.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0614.jpg

This used by the crews to drop/pick up loads from, is in the 'Tac area' which is on the site of Hangar 12.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0617-1.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0619.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0616.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0620.jpg
Think it only needs a polish and a wash to be like new !

Richard Flagg
29-04-2012, 13:48
Smoggie, where was hangar 12? What type of hangar was it?

Smoggieboy
29-04-2012, 17:37
Hi Ref my compatriot Molesworth thinks it was a 'Pentad' hangar ? and thinks its was demolished 95/96 ?

If you look at your pic of the reception storage hangar you took 6 May 2010 it was to the left of it behind some fantastic
conker trees. Also if you look at the very first aerial picture at the start of section it was on the dark patch of ground to the very left of the picture, it was to the west of hangars 13/14.

Carnaby
29-04-2012, 18:14
This (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.79460227426039&lon=-2.6819357781483593&gz=17&oz=8&gt=1) was the site of Shawbury's Pentad (from Aldon Ferguson's book).

Smoggieboy
04-05-2012, 21:27
The building in post 112 is now being used by the regional health unit so at least one building hasn't been demolished this week !

Smoggieboy
09-05-2012, 18:36
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/DSCF0642.jpg

It's all completed, its now going to be used by the Regional Health Rehabilitation Unit, this was a quick pic from last week, will try and get a better one this week.

Smoggieboy
15-05-2012, 16:37
Ref post 98 the rest of the hangar support frames have been removed this week and are being scrapped.

Smoggieboy
17-05-2012, 14:06
Believe the green demolishing safety netting will be put up around a few more buildings in the next few weeks at Shawbury.
This week has seen an old sewage pressure house ? gone and an old shed on the old golf course area is also going.

Have heard the reason so many buildings are going is that the MOD have to pay council tax on empty buildings ? I thought it was payable only habitable buildings ie bedrooms, bathroom kitchen etc ?

If any one knows any different please feel free to let us all know as it seems a strange reason ?

Have also heard the pre war ? squash courts may be demolished as a new large mutli gym building has just been opened across the road from the camp on the site of the emergency car park and Z block site before that.

Molesworth
01-06-2012, 18:00
A couple of pictures borrowed form the awful station magazine.
Shawbury 2012
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Molesworth/Shawbury2012.jpg

Shawbury 1975
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Molesworth/Shawbury1975.jpg

Smoggieboy
05-06-2012, 15:47
Its the engine off strips, the grass has been killed off and then re-seeded, similar task at Ternhill as well.

In the black and white picture its nice to see the old Z blocks were most of us old timers lived while on our TTF course's ! Believed they were condemned before I got there in Nov 85 !

Dr_Bishop
05-06-2012, 15:57
Those Z Blocks were like heaven after Swinderby and a detachment at Leuchars staying in transit accommodation.

Single rooms, oh dear lord, we felt like we had gone to heaven! I can even remember which block and room.

Then back to reality at Lossiemouth with 8 man rooms!

Smoggieboy
11-07-2012, 22:08
Was info'd of this bit of loverly film ! You can even see the Pentad hangar to the right as it taxies into the MBD !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djOok9T0UEc&feature=player_embedded

Dr_Bishop
12-07-2012, 18:13
You could've said it was a tanker... Yawn!

two_foot_winky
16-07-2012, 20:22
Was info'd of this bit of loverly film ! You can even see the Pentad hangar to the right as it taxies into the MBD !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djOok9T0UEc&feature=player_embedded

Wicked video mate, thanks for that. Is it the victor in Cosford?

Alex Brown
16-07-2012, 20:42
Believe the green demolishing safety netting will be put up around a few more buildings in the next few weeks at Shawbury.
This week has seen an old sewage pressure house ? gone and an old shed on the old golf course area is also going.

Have heard the reason so many buildings are going is that the MOD have to pay council tax on empty buildings ? I thought it was payable only habitable buildings ie bedrooms, bathroom kitchen etc ?

If any one knows any different please feel free to let us all know as it seems a strange reason ?


Certainly wouldn't be domestic rates, as you say not habitable. But possibly commercial building rates may apply even when empty these days?

smiler16
16-07-2012, 22:35
does any one kmow about what happened with the airfield grass cutt which cause major problems lately

thanks rich

Molesworth
16-07-2012, 22:59
The wet spring and early summer has had a lot to do with it. The other problem is the change of contractors. From what I understand Company "A" subcontracted grounds maintenance to Company "B" . Company "B" the gets taken over by Company "C" which is a direct competitor to Company "A". Rather than give business to it's rival, it subcontracts to Company "D" who quickly fall behind as they fail to prioritise their tasks and have problems to maintaining the machinery.

Smoggieboy
17-07-2012, 09:29
''Wicked video mate, thanks for that. Is it the victor in Cosford? ''

Yes its the same one, I got a few shots of it overshooting Honington on that day as well.

smiler16
18-07-2012, 21:21
The wet spring and early summer has had a lot to do with it. The other problem is the change of contractors. From what I understand Company "A" subcontracted grounds maintenance to Company "B" . Company "B" the gets taken over by Company "C" which is a direct competitor to Company "A". Rather than give business to it's rival, it subcontracts to Company "D" who quickly fall behind as they fail to prioritise their tasks and have problems to maintaining the machinery.

we had the same thing at linton and the surrounding bases. the thing is i work for the grounds company that looks after shawbury. cause few probs i know. aircraft diverted to valley i read

thanks rich

two_foot_winky
22-07-2012, 10:04
''Wicked video mate, thanks for that. Is it the victor in Cosford? ''

Yes its the same one, I got a few shots of it overshooting Honington on that day as well.

Any chance we an see them? Or is this going way off topic?

Smoggieboy
22-07-2012, 14:17
Hang on, gotta find it yet !

Richard Flagg
22-07-2012, 14:26
Probably worth putting on the Honington thread, look forward to seeing them too.

Smoggieboy
22-07-2012, 14:30
Found them they are in fact on the Honington thread, entry no 57.

two_foot_winky
29-07-2012, 10:23
I can't find the thread :cry:

Smoggieboy
29-07-2012, 11:22
http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?2216-Honington/page6

two_foot_winky
31-07-2012, 20:55
http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?2216-Honington/page6

Brilliant, thanks for that. Check out the Cosford website. They are doing this bomber as the future this month.

Richard Flagg
27-12-2012, 18:27
Shawbury UK MIL AIP - 6 Jul 2006

Smoggieboy
02-02-2013, 17:02
Shawbury's entry from the ERS Northern Europe and North Atlantic(forerunner to the BINA or red book)dated 21st January 1982 !

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/SHAWBURY_zps4a3795e6.jpg

Smoggieboy
11-03-2013, 19:43
Gutted to have missed out on a RAF Thornaby BoB programme from 1948 on EBay but made up for it by getting this instead.
'History of R.A.F.Shawbury' (Military airfield history), Aldon P. Ferguson, been tracking one down for years but this one was
very expensive, all 4.47, bargain !!

Smoggieboy
18-05-2013, 11:57
Picture of Shawbury's RPAR with one side of Runway 23's PAPI's in the background and a distance to go board as well.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/SCARECROW450/013-13_zps0bcc4c7f.jpg (http://s211.photobucket.com/user/SCARECROW450/media/013-13_zps0bcc4c7f.jpg.html)

canberra
08-07-2013, 19:34
I was in the Z block one evening in a thunderstorm, its a really nice feeling being in a metal framed building when theres lightning around!

PETERTHEEATER
09-07-2013, 10:13
Hey Canberra, long time no see.

So like being in a Faraday Cage?

cbrjock
13-07-2013, 11:47
Nice pic there Smoggieboy, still think the old 62 looked better tho!

Smoggieboy
15-07-2013, 15:17
GRSF don't touch it now, its all contracted out, Watchman radar as well !

Viscount 701
12-08-2013, 10:07
Scanned from 5" x 3" prints, which I suspect are re-photographed from larger prints early '80s - certainly from a box of aviation photos untouched since 1986.

Envelope states:
RAFM P266 Shawbury from 3000ft 19/8/42

13321

With three large hangars, certain this one is Shawbury. Today the main runway is much longer. Interesting that old field boundaries seem to show up, plus camouflage ones. The hangars don't show up in the landscape as they do today either. I wonder if other straight lines across the airfield is evidence of an earlier grass runway pattern? Seems there was never a third hard runway looking at modern airfield plans.

SATCO
16-05-2014, 14:08
Smoggieboy/Canberra/EGDGZTCW/Barney/Dr Bishop (we have spoken)

Quite new to AIX so have just had marvellous time reading all your reminiscences from Shawbury. I can readily identify with quite a few of the points you guys make.

My first visit was to join 428 AATC cse in Nov 76, the first thing they tried to do was send me home as there was a queue! Decided to spend a week on pool flight which turned out to be a great choice, was off round the Station on all sorts of jobs, met loads of people who were actually quite nice to us! I always remember the food at shawbury at that time as being one of the best airmans messes I came across.
I too lived in one of the blocks over the road, went back in 1986 for 204 JATCC....and was in the same block as Sgts mess overspill! I think they had knocked two of the original rooms into one for the Sgts mess bit.

Interested to hear mention of the 5 a side, myself and a chap called Paddy Morris started the whole thing and ran the first one when we were Cpls here at Wattisham in 1984. I still have a faded copy of the letter from the AOC praising the SATCO for all his efforts putting the competition on!! Paddy and me barely get a name check!! In those days the winners hosted but it quite rightly eventually settled at its spiritual home of Shawbury. Even though I was a civvy then we put a team in from Wattisham (my present 'home') in 1996 0r 97, last time I was at Shawbury.

Barny, of interest to you, I am now based at Wattisham which is the home of 3 and 4 regt AAC. We are civvies in the Tower, Ops/flt planning also. They do have guys who work in the Apache MP cell who they were looking to send on an abbreviated AATC course, not sure if they ever did.
As some of you have commented, dont know what they get up to now in 12 weeks!

Thanks for the nostalgia fest guys!

canberra
16-05-2014, 19:10
The first winners of the fives were Leuchars, but the competion in 85 was held at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, I think it was decided that Leuchars was too far north. As for those blocks, I was in them when we had a thunderstorm, very worrying!!! Ive never seen any other blocks like them were they unique to Shawbury? And can anyone explain how theyve stretched the AATC course to 12 weeks from 6???

Dr_Bishop
16-05-2014, 19:49
When I was on 198 JATC, we stayed in a B&B for the first two weeks! Then the Sgt's Mess Annex opposite the car park, which once years ago was the Parade ground. Even in October 74 (I was 365 AATC) it was used as a car park.

I too was on Pool Flight before 365, I even worked amended AP's in the WRAF Block, beat that!

Fond recollections of Shawbury. The 'Z' blocks are now demolished.

Which is further proof that it is not just an airfield, but a living history. Some of us actually lived at RAF Shawbury, be it for 30 odd weeks. I forgot the Area Radar Course as an Assistant.

Molesworth
16-05-2014, 20:08
There were Z blocks at Shinfield Park when I went for my Met Course in 92. As for the length of the FOA course it' probably a fair indication of how attitudes have changed over the years.

Dr_Bishop
16-05-2014, 20:43
Did my Met O course in 1983, some place outside Reading I think.

Six weeks holiday!

SATCO
17-05-2014, 11:58
The first winners of the fives were Leuchars, but the competion in 85 was held at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, I think it was decided that Leuchars was too far north. As for those blocks, I was in them when we had a thunderstorm, very worrying!!! Ive never seen any other blocks like them were they unique to Shawbury? And can anyone explain how theyve stretched the AATC course to 12 weeks from 6???

Canberra, you are right that leuchars was a bit far North but they also said they just didn't have the facilities to hold a competition of that scale so they asked Wattisham if they would run it again at the Eurosports centre (late HMS Ganges) at Shotley. I had left Wattisham for Akrotiri by then but I remember talking to Paddy and him saying it was a close run thing that the tournament continued. The problem was Eurosports weren't at all keen for the RAF ATC branch to return, the issue was a number of things had gone missing off site after the first event, not least a large number full size flags of many nations that had been flying at the centre before adorning a number of crewrooms as gizzits!

canberra
17-05-2014, 13:57
The 85 tournament co-incided with Leuchars TACEVAL, so that may have been a reason for not hosting. As for the "gizzits" not in the Leuchars crew room, as Dave will confirm it was tiny. Abd as for the 12 week course , well it was 12 weeks until the early seventies when morse training was stopped.

Dr_Bishop
17-05-2014, 14:13
I was Admin Sgt up the Tower at Leuchars in 85 and remember that Taceval well, and that Tea room was small. Couldn't swing a cat!

Aerodynamik
10-06-2014, 09:34
Hi all
Being a bit of an artist I want to paint a red 2FTS Whirlwind taking off with the hangars and dispersal in the background. It's really important that I get the setting right but despite extensive 'googling' I cannot find one picture showing Whirlwinds on a dispersal at Shawbury. I'd really like to know which one was used and the normal way the helicopters were parked up. Is any one able to help?
TIA Steve

LJK
21-06-2014, 20:44
Having been on the ARG visit to Shawbury I was reading the back postings on this thread. Showing my ignorance here but what is referred to in Smoggie's reply no. 89 - 'the Victor is taxying into the MBD'. What does that stand for please? Thanks

P Bellamy
21-06-2014, 21:23
MBD = Medium Bomber Dispersal, the four adjoining V-Force pads on the NW side of the airfield.

LJK
22-06-2014, 20:36
Paul - thanks for the info. Are these the only ones there and if so why were they built just at one end of the airfield?

Smoggieboy
23-06-2014, 09:34
Steve ref the Whirlwinds and their parking I have seen the odd pic of red Whirlwinds, wil try and get hold of the phtograper and see if he will let me have a copy for you.

Cheers Dobbo

canberra
23-06-2014, 17:14
So has anyone managed yet to find out why the AATC/FOA course is now 12 weeks?

Dr_Bishop
24-06-2014, 10:04
What I can glean:

AT/Teambuilding exercises, 5 weeks theory, then 4 weeks simulators. That know doubt has changed.

Nothing wrong with AATC's then ATC's.

Best 6 weeks of my life! Then JATC, 18 weeks of never knowing you had passed the course. Would I do it again, I don't know to be honest!

canberra
25-06-2014, 16:48
4 weeks in the sims??????? My god a week was bad enough, and then they get to a unit and there still no use!!!!

Dr_Bishop
25-06-2014, 17:05
Only good thing(s) which came from the sims are AP's, you know where to look.

I had a Cpl, who made us read JSP 318 when we admitted we were bored, we cottoned on VERY quickly.

Nowadays the sim reflects Approach and Local, (VCR).

canberra
27-06-2014, 16:43
And the sims were absolutely no use to those of us who got an Ops room as first posting. And in fact I know people who got a radar unit as there first posting and even an RCC!!

Dr_Bishop
27-06-2014, 19:11
You have lost the plot mate.

To be promoted to Cpl in our time, theoretically you must have served in three Air Traffic related disciplines.

Sims taught us where to look.

Irrespective where we served, my first tour was a Sqn Ops, Second tour Stn Ops, third tour LATCC (FPRS). Only as a Cpl did I work up a Tower!

BTW, I never served at Shawbury. Did the courses only, AATC, RADAR and JATC.

canberra
28-06-2014, 11:11
Only time I set foot at Shawbury was my AATC course, I never even went to the fives. Ive been passed on the A 49 delivering prisoners to Shrewsbury prison though!!!

Dr_Bishop
28-06-2014, 16:56
All I did was prisoner escort to Colcester... Twice as a SAC and once as a Sergeant. Scary as a Sergeant!

Been back at Shawbury a few times though, my uncle saw the light when kicked out of the AAC and joined the RAF. My last week on JATC, his first week on 'copters at Shawbury.

Flew up the PAR when U/T at Binbrook...

SATCO
29-06-2014, 11:07
On JATCC, Live Tower, PAR on a Shawbury Wessex.
Me "4 miles, on centreline. on glidepath" Next transmission, slight hesitantly "4 miles, on centreline, on glidepath" Next transmision, now very hesitatingy "..4 miles ..on centreline, on glidepath?" Slight pause, instructor from Wessex comes on "oh, sorry talkdown, we just went into the hover while i pointed something out to the student, happy to crack on now!"
Had me confused for a moment!

Peter Kirk
29-06-2014, 11:18
I like the technical speak "happy to crack on now" :)

PETERTHEEATER
29-06-2014, 15:04
Had that been a Sycamore a rotor blade would have come off in protest:)

Dr_Bishop
29-06-2014, 20:42
Good one!

I knew my uncle would do something 'funny', so without losing my grip, I talked the helicopter up!

Good days indeed.

Molesworth
02-09-2014, 09:37
RAF Shawbury Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/RAFShawbury

Richard Flagg
02-09-2014, 09:44
RAF Shawbury Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/RAFShawbury

Any chance of a reciprocal link back??? Be good to see some of the info on there on AiX too.

stevegreer1966
12-09-2014, 20:33
could be a silly question but I just cant remember...I have 2 course photos in 1984 (courses 608 and 609). Why would that have been??

Dr_Bishop
13-09-2014, 11:33
Are you an ex AATC?

If so what course?

I was on 365 AATC and 198 JATC. In 1984 I left Linton on Promotion to Leuchars (sgt).