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wreckhunter
06-01-2010, 12:21
New one:

Rhinog Fawr: SH 63736 28879 DETAILS http://peakwreckhunters..........com/2009/11/avro-lancaster-ne132_2281.html

airfields man
06-01-2010, 14:29
Nice one wreckhunter, well-done finding it. We've been meaning to go and see the Wellington plaque at Pennal ever since finding-out about it from Flypast in 1982. Also I'm sure there's some kind of memorial at Bala Nr the lake? Found out about this in 1987. During March this year a couple of friends of the Aircrew Remembrance Society hope to erect a cross on the edge of a field in Suffolk to the remains of a Luftwaffe crew.

ianbache
16-01-2010, 20:59
Nice one wreckhunter, well-done finding it. We've been meaning to go and see the Wellington plaque at Pennal ever since finding-out about it from Flypast in 1982. Also I'm sure there's some kind of memorial at Bala Nr the lake? Found out about this in 1987. During March this year a couple of friends of the Aircrew Remembrance Society hope to erect a cross on the edge of a field in Suffolk to the remains of a Luftwaffe crew.

Hi airfields man
here are some more memorials located in Wales,the one in Bala could be this
B 17 fortress 42-3124 crashed 04 08 43 plaque on summit of Arenig fawr and old town hall Bala

B 26 Marauder 44-68072 crashed 01 02 44 plaque in lay- by Llanberis pass

B24 Liberator 42-99991 crashed 07 01 44 plaque at crash site on Moelfre above Llanfairfechan

Mosquito LR 412 crashed 09 02 44 plaque on the engine at Drews-y-coed

B 17 Fortress 44-8639 crashed 08 06 45 plaque on Craig Cwm Llwyd near crash site

Wessex XR 524 crashed 12 08 93 plaques on Llyn Padarn forshore

Wellington R1068 crashed 17 08 41 plaque at Pennal war mamorial

Halifax crashed on Cwm mountain north of Rhuallt wooden crpss on summit

Junkers Ju 88A-6 WNr.3459 5K+DW.4 Staffel of KG3 crashed 26 04 42 plaque in Glascwm church near Builth Wells

Jaguar XZ386 crashed 24 06 87 plaque in Aberedw churchyard wall

Phantom F 4J ZE 358 crashed 26 08 87 plaque at crash site at Trefenter

I hope these are of use to you looking for memorials,cheers Ian

airfields man
18-01-2010, 21:40
Hi Ian, Many thanks for the list of crash-site plaques. Regards the memorial in the church at Glascombe/Glascwm near Builth Wells, that is on here under, 'Luftwaffe cross in Welsh church.' I regularly correspond with a chap from Builth Wells who sent me some photographs of a memorial to a B-17 that crashed at Llanyre. This happened on 16-9-1943 the aircraft 's name was Sondra Kay of the 388th BG based at Knettishall, Suffolk. The plaque was dedicated on 16-9-2003, later another plaque was dedicated at the actual crash area. Are you aware of this site? The chap I know from Builth Wells had a brother who was killed while returning from a raid on Lutzendorf. He was the first to bail-out after their Lancaster from 576 Sqn was badly damaged by flak, the rest went down with the plane but survived. Sadly this young man was found dead with head injuries. I was recently sent a copy of the Beaufighter pilot's combat report along with a newspaper copy from 1992 concerning the above JU88.

ianbache
18-01-2010, 22:25
Hi Airfieldsman
The B 17, 42/5906 in question Sondra Kay namned after the baby daughter of staff sergeant Joshua Lewis,was seen off the English coast at 2037hrs,but later flew into Rhiw Gwraidd at upper Cilgee,Doldowlod near Rhayader,in bad weather and short of fuel,
so sad about the mans brother,you just never knew what was going to happen next in war
Keep up the good work
regards Ian

airfields man
19-01-2010, 19:37
Thanks for that Ian, Another crash site he also told me of is that of another Wellington. This one crashed near Llangamarch, though he has no other information about it. No-doubt you also know of this one anyway. Regards Paul.

ianbache
19-01-2010, 20:45
Thanks for that Ian, Another crash site he also told me of is that of another Wellington. This one crashed near Llangamarch, though he has no other information about it. No-doubt you also know of this one anyway. Regards Paul.

Hi Paul
The only imformation i can give you on this one,if this is the one is,

On the 08/04/42 Wellington R1597 23 OTU was struck by lightning and crashed nr Llangammarch Wells,with the loss of the whole crew, hope this is of use
there are plenty of crashes from north Wales to the south ,Brecon is the furthest south i go though,so if you want any info on any please give me a shout
regards Ian

airfields man
20-01-2010, 19:44
Thanks again Ian, This weekend I'm writing to the chap in Builth Wells so will ask if he can gather any more information about this Wellington. A couple of years ago we went to Tenby for a holiday, I knew of a plaque at St Davids to the crew of a B-26 that crashed there so I got some photographs of it. You can see these on the Thread/Starter memorial section under, 'More Memorials No 2'. Also within the Oxfordshire memorials section under, 'Wellington Bomber Crash, Oxon. is a brief account of mine concerning the brother of the pilot of this aircraft. About four years ago a new Doctor moved into the Builth Wells area, a German Doctor, he soon settled in and has shown a keen interest in the WW2 crash sites around the area....especially the Luftwaffe sites.:o

ianbache
20-01-2010, 22:08
Hi Paul
This is a tester, but here goes,they are mainly to the north

Heinkel HE 111P,WNr 2624,1G+FS 8th Staffel of 3 Group KG27 crashed 14/8/40

Mission,to bomb RAF Sealand,succeeded in this but was attacked by 3 Spitfires from Hawarden and downed near Curzon park golf club Chester,crew survived ,interned in a prison camp Canada

Dornier DO 17Z-3,WNr 2682,7T+LL,3 Staffel NO 606 Kusenflieger Gruppe crashed 16/10/40

Mission to bomb Liverpool and photograph targets,they were hit from ground defences and damaged,on flying low up the Denbighshire,they hit the ground and exploded near Hafod Wen farm at Nantglyn,first buried at Hawarden the reinterred at Cannock chase

Heinkel HE 111H-2,WNr 2432 6N+FL 3 Staffel KGr 100,crashed 08/04/41

Mission to bomb Liverpool docks,they were attacked by a night fighter and set on fire
the order was given to bail out two of the crew bailed successfully but the other two fell into the river Dee and drowned,the aircraft fell at Egerton Hall farm Nr Melpas

Heinkel HE 111P-4 WNr 2847,gI+LL 3 Staffel KG55 (greif) crashed 08/04/41
mission o bomb Liverpool docks,they were attacked by a Defiant nightfighter,3 of the crew were killed outright the other 2 bailed out landing on the banks of the river Dee the aircraft crashed on the banks of the Dee near Baglit

Heinkel HE 111P-4 WNr 2908 GI+HP, 6 Staffel KG55 (greif),crashed 08/04/41

Mission also to bomb Liverpool docks,didnt make the target ,and was downed by another Defiant from 256sqn and crashed at Llwyn Knottia farm near Wrexham,with no survivers

Heinkel HE 111P-2,WNr 1419 IG+CR, 7 Staffel KG27 CRASHED 29/04/41

Mission to bomb Liverpools ports and shipping,but was forced offcource by strong winds ,it was attacked by a 604sqn Beaufighter and set on fire ,the order to bail out was given ,4 made it out ,flight engineer was left inside ,the aircraft crashed in a field at Ewloe place , Buckley

Junkers JU 88A-5 WNr 7204 ,4D+IA HQ Staffel of KG30 crashed 01/11/41

Mission to attack Liverpool ,but was hit by A/A fire set on fire and crashed at Brockside farm near Pulford close to the Welsh border,crew off 4 were all killed

Junkers JU 88 of 3(F) Aufkl,Gr 123 crash landed 07/09/40

Mission to bomb Liverpool and Crewe,they were attacked by 4 spitfires and chased into north Wales,eventually forced down on the slopes of Drum Ddu ,all the crew survived ,
MR 125/915163
There is no mention of plaques or memorials though ,hope the German doctor you mention finds this of use to his search for Luftwaffe losses

Cheers Ian

airfields man
21-01-2010, 22:21
A big THANKYOU for your latest Ian, I will copy that list to send to Bernard as he doesn't have a computor. Along with his wife they like to go rambling far and wide visiting some of the crash sites around their area. No-doubt he'll give a copy to the,' Herr Dockter' as he knows him quite well. One of the locals has an Iron Cross that they found near to a German crash-site along with various bits and pieces. Thanks again. Regards Paul.

ianbache
21-01-2010, 22:39
A big THANKYOU for your latest Ian, I will copy that list to send to Bernard as he doesn't have a computor. Along with his wife they like to go rambling far and wide visiting some of the crash sites around their area. No-doubt he'll give a copy to the,' Herr Dockter' as he knows him quite well. One of the locals has an Iron Cross that they found near to a German crash-site along with various bits and pieces. Thanks again. Regards Paul.

Hi Paul
its a pleasure to help, just give me a shout if you want any more info,i will be pleased to help,
ps if you want any info on various British crashes in the Welsh area during ww2 also give me a shout
regards Ian

Alan Clark
22-01-2010, 00:23
Ian,

One or two of the details on your list are incorrect, the losses you recorded as 8/4/41 were on the 7th / 8th May 1941, also the shoot down near Wrexham which is attributed to 256 Sqn by Edward Doylerush is recorded in the 96 Sqn ORB as on of their 'victories'.

ianbache
22-01-2010, 19:25
Ian,

One or two of the details on your list are incorrect, the losses you recorded as 8/4/41 were on the 7th / 8th May 1941, also the shoot down near Wrexham which is attributed to 256 Sqn by Edward Doylerush is recorded in the 96 Sqn ORB as on of their 'victories'.

Hi Alan
Thanks for for the correction, i quoted the 8th because i thought the losses were in the small hours of the 8th although the mission started on the 7th,i stand corrected
many thanks
regards Ian

Alan Clark
22-01-2010, 20:34
The losses did occur in the small hours of the 8th, I've just tended to write 7th/8th, 2432 was claimed at around 01:40 on the 8th, 2908 was intercepted while N3327 was outbound to its patrol area probably about 01:15, that a/c took off at 01:00 and landed at 01:40.

I am not sure who shot down 2847, only 1 He111 was reported to have been attacked by 96 Squadron, somewhere in the Chester area but the kill seemingly not confirmed, it was last seen diving near vertically into the cloud tops (that patrol was at 15,000ft), while other than the one at Hazel Grove 256 Squadron recorded 3 He111s.

Alan

ianbache
22-01-2010, 20:57
The losses did occur in the small hours of the 8th, I've just tended to write 7th/8th, 2432 was claimed at around 01:40 on the 8th, 2908 was intercepted while N3327 was outbound to its patrol area probably about 01:15, that a/c took off at 01:00 and landed at 01:40.

I am not sure who shot down 2847, only 1 He111 was reported to have been attacked by 96 Squadron, somewhere in the Chester area but the kill seemingly not confirmed, it was last seen diving near vertically into the cloud tops (that patrol was at 15,000ft), while other than the one at Hazel Grove 256 Squadron recorded 3 He111s.

Alan

Hi Alan
many thanks for the info, much appreciated,so 2874 is outstanding i will do some more digging
regards Ian