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NJR
24-01-2010, 22:55
Some photos taken in October 2008, location is north of Abbotts Bromley airfield. I had mistakenly thought this was the airfields dispersed living sites, Carnaby put me right!! Many thanks Graham.

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NJR
24-01-2010, 22:57
More...........

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NJR
24-01-2010, 22:58
Last two............

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PETERTHEEATER
25-01-2010, 10:11
Nice pics NJR.

I'm surprised that the buildings have lasted so well, but then they look to be Permanent Brick so maybe post-war!

Glad to see the Forestry Commission still call it Bagots Wood since it is now mapped as Bagots Forest.

There was a practice bombing range in Bagots Park just to the east too which I though unusual given the proximity to a munitions storage area!

Peter Kirk
30-01-2014, 19:52
There was a practice bombing range in Bagots Park just to the east too which I though unusual given the proximity to a munitions storage area!

Even more bizarre is that the bombing range was taken over by 3rd AD, US 8th AF on 25th April 1945 and either was being or had just been enlarged from a danger radius of 600 yds to 750 yds. I'm not sure they ever used it as the war seemed to have stopped in May 1945.

I wonder if there was a danger area around the RAD that prevented any building in that area? If so the bombing range was clearly outside it and the Americans did use slightly larger practice bombs.

PETERTHEEATER
31-01-2014, 08:35
I am still troubled by the lack of a nearby railway to facilitate receipts and issues to the sub-depot. The nearest rail point was Uttoxeter to the north and the main Uttoxeter to Abbots Bromley road ran down the western side of the wood.

canberra
03-02-2014, 17:45
This may sound like a silly question, but here goes. As this was an ammunition sub depot did it just store ammunition, or did it hold other explosive items?

Harboda77
03-02-2014, 19:59
My understanding was that it had been been a sub store to RAF Fauld and any thing that could not find room for inside RAF Fauld ended up at one of the threes sub stores of which Bagots wood had been one.

I believe that when RAF Fauld exploded in 1944 it had been the largest non nuclear explosion in the UK.

I had interpreted that as any thing excluding chemical ?

PETERTHEEATER
04-02-2014, 04:55
This may sound like a silly question, but here goes. As this was an ammunition sub depot did it just store ammunition, or did it hold other explosive items?

Pretty much as Harboda says. The term 'Ammunition' covered all explosive items in the inventory. In practice, sub-depots such as Bagots would have had boxed items that were amenable to surface storage with weather covering, typically SAA, shell, Incendiary bombs, Ground Defence ammo and CW

Harboda77
04-02-2014, 15:06
Nice pics.

I'm surprised that the buildings have lasted so well, but then they look to be Permanent Brick so maybe post-war!

I read the following relative to the four individual sites and may explain your observation ?

1) While much of the storage facility was annihilated by the explosion, the site itself continued to be used by the RAF for munitions storage until 1966, when No. 21 Maintenance Unit (21 MU) was disbanded.

2) Following France's withdrawal from NATO's integrated military structure in 1966, the site was used by the US Army, between 1967 to 1973, to store US ammunition previously stored in France.

Carnaby
04-02-2014, 22:39
Bagot's Wood has disappeared from the lists of 42 Group sites and subsites by October 1946.

Harboda77
05-02-2014, 00:20
Carnaby ~ thanks for the information.

I read that the three sub sites were Bagot's Wood, Flax Mill and nearby Hilton.

Do you know if any of these sites went in to a form of ' care & maintenance ' until they were finally decommissioned ?

I had made a note in my records that RAF Fault still contained a significant amount of unexploded ordinance that the government of the day decided was not cost effective to recover.

Do we have a thread for RAF Fault or shall I start one so that you can correct my inaccuracies ?

Harboda77
05-02-2014, 00:40
Glad to see the Forestry Commission still call it Bagots Wood since it is now mapped as Bagots Forest.

I believe that relates to the renaming of the original ' Needwood Forest ' as ' Bagots Forest ' ?

Bagots Wood on my 1930's OS Map now appears as ‘ SHERMON’S WOOD ‘ , ’ CRATEFIELD COPPICE ’ , ’ WARBURTON’S COPPICE ’ , ’ BREECH COPPICE ’ etc.

Does any one know who dictates these new names as it makes following recent records from 50 years ago a little difficult if you don't have access to OS maps of the period being detailed ?

PETERTHEEATER
05-02-2014, 05:38
I read the following relative to the four individual sites and may explain your observation ?

1) While much of the storage facility was annihilated by the explosion, the site itself continued to be used by the RAF for munitions storage until 1966, when No. 21 Maintenance Unit (21 MU) was disbanded.

2) Following France's withdrawal from NATO's integrated military structure in 1966, the site was used by the US Army, between 1967 to 1973, to store US ammunition previously stored in France.

Yes, for the Fauld site but my comment referred to the buildings on the Bagots Wood sub-site.