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Carnaby
02-02-2010, 22:30
Wondered if anyone knew the precise location of this post WWII radar installation just south of HMS Blackcap ?

Link: http://rafburtonwood.org/northern.html

http://www.caa-rsa.org.uk/images/MCR%20Northern_Radar_Antrobus.pdf

Graham

Peter Kirk
02-02-2010, 23:46
There are a number of likely looking sites on 1940s aerials but I have no idea what it would look like on an aerial photo of the period.

tigger
04-02-2010, 12:36
If you look on your old maps around SJ646820 you'll see Whitley Reed Farm. The control buildings were off the same track (Occupation Lane I think) as the farm. The fleet Air Arm museum has a photo of the buildings. The plot was roughly triangular with the radar plinth and two huts running along the longer edge. Between the two huts was a smaller block. There was also a hut near the gateway and another aerial tower next to the lane

If you can supply likely aerial photos I might be able to recognise it from the dim recesses of my memory!

Edit: Just looked on the modern map and the compound is visible - SJ6435081615 is where the gate was. Some of the buildings shown are those from the radar site but I don't know exactly what is left now.

tigger
04-02-2010, 13:05
Prompted me to recheck the book about Blackcap as there is mention of the GCI site in that:

"The radar station was built in 1941 with the electronics and instruments being installed by GE Taylor & Co of London."

"In 1952 it was modified for use by Blackcap's Air Traffic Control to ensure safety of flights into and out of Stretton. The equipment in use was a RAF Type AMES 15 and a RN Type 277T"

"On 13th February 1953 trials commenced t Antrobus under Lieutenent JR Gee with a view to controlling all naval traffic. A few weeks later after some 1500 sorties it was also providing a service to military aircraft through the zone. The use of the facility was then offered to the ministry of Civil Aviation. It duly commenced it's own trials early in 1954 with a team from manchester led by MR IM Lucas. At 07:45 on tuesday 1st June 1954 the unit became operational controlling civil and military aircarft at peak periods. It was the first Joint Air Traffic Control Radar Unit and became known as Northern radar"

(c) Antrobus Heritage but I'm sure Derek won't mind me quoting those bits.

Of note a few weeks ago is that Manchester Radar ceased to exist and it's function was transferred to Prestwick!

Carnaby
04-02-2010, 13:15
Excellent tigger, guess this is it (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.33025551917377&lon=-2.53675650624794&gz=19&oz=9&gt=1).

Graham

tigger
04-02-2010, 13:26
Yes that's it Graham. The house at the bottom left is roughly where the radar plinth was. The two control buildings and the hut between them can still be seen on that. The gatehouse could still be there but not easy to tell. The other structures are probably more recent additions (though they look a bit run down!)


Excellent tigger, guess this is it (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.33025551917377&lon=-2.53675650624794&gz=19&oz=9&gt=1).

Graham

Peter Kirk
04-02-2010, 23:59
Looks a bit different here

tigger
19-03-2010, 13:46
Photo from FAA Museum
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p267/trunktemp/Airfields/Blackcap/northernradar1944.jpg