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PETERTHEEATER
16-06-2010, 09:50
An interesting site on Milfield

http://www.milfield.org.uk/fighter_leader_school_milfield.htm

David Thompson
16-06-2010, 10:46
This is the home page ; http://www.milfield.org.uk/

As it says , based on the book 'MILFIELD , not just an airfield' by Alan Evans and first published in 1994 . I'll post the full book details in the Media Section and there is also a nice airfield memorial there now too which has not appeared on the forum yet .

PETERTHEEATER
19-06-2010, 10:04
The site that I linked in Post #1 above this statement appears:

A distinctive building that was planned and built at Milfield when it was intended as a bomber O.T.U. was the astral navigation trainer, 9288/42 design standard. A domed building with a single small man-sized entrance, painted black inside and outside. When used at a bomber O.T.U. the stars were projected onto the interior of the dome and the projector moved at the rate and angle of the firmament and also simulated the speed and passage of the required bomber type. This allowed trainee navigators to practice recognition of individual stars and the use of the sextant for taking star shots. The large number of trainee navigators on a bomber O.T.U. often meant this very sophisticated computer was in use twenty fours per day. Its use during 59 O.T.U.'s time would have been minimal, probably only as a night, aircraft recognition trainer, projecting aircraft silhouettes against a background of the stars.

Anyone got an image of one or is it being confused with something else?

Foz77
23-08-2010, 08:51
Millfield is near to where my folks live; for the record, last time I was there I took a drive around the perimeter and there are are scant remains :sad:

Think there is a fairly intact firing butt in a field, along with most of the tarmac from the east side of the runway, plus a Nissen hut in someone's back garden

Perhaps the "money shot" however is the stone eagle perched atop a globe supposedly carved by an Italian POW. This is on private land now, so I intend to politely ask the owner if I can shoot it nxt time I'm there ;-)

Foz77
07-05-2011, 12:44
Hi

Can anyone confirm the structure on the right? The plans don't shed any light (as they are practically illegible)

4642

It had a window on the other side, near the top of the building

Cheers
Mike

P Bellamy
07-05-2011, 13:39
From the outline of the rest of the building on the 1966 1/2500 OS map, it appears to be the boiler roon/water tank tower for a combined Sgts' and Officers' ablution block.
There's a similar complete example at Bottesford (http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?148-Bottesford&p=8803&viewfull=1#post8803).

Stand-by Set House 13244/41 in the background.

All the best,
PB

Foz77
07-05-2011, 14:00
From the outline of the rest of the building on the 1966 1/2500 OS map, it appears to be the boiler roon/water tank tower for a combined Sgts' and Officers' ablution block.
There's a similar complete example at Bottesford (http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?148-Bottesford&p=8803&viewfull=1#post8803).

Stand-by Set House 13244/41 in the background.


All the best,
PB

Thanks, 3 questions though:

1. I had the building in the background down as a power station(!) - what was a set house used for?

2. Am I right in thinking some buildings eg picket posts have different variations of design?

3. Is there a resource (besides asking the RAF Museum) to find a list of drawing numbers so I can cross reference the plans I have with them?

Thanks again
Mike

P Bellamy
07-05-2011, 14:06
1: The Stand-by Set House held the emergency electrical generators, so was indeed the backup power station in case the feed from the mains failed for any reason.

2: Yes, there are many variations of all types of standard structures.

3: An partial list of some wartime Drawing Numbers can be found HERE (http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?3306-AM-Drawing-Numbers), I really must update it sometime. Sadly, not all the various drawings have survived in the RAF Museum archive.

All the best,
PB

Foz77
15-05-2011, 10:26
Hi

Another buildling from communal, if someone can help identify...

47124713

Thanks
Mike

Paul Francis
15-05-2011, 11:18
Squash racqets court

North by sea
17-10-2011, 14:45
Just a little story to tell.

Behind the Eagle Orbs there was a gravel drive which ended in a long admin stroke HQ building.

When we were at a caravan rally (described in my earlyer post) we used to hold a social gathering in the building on a Sat night. On one such occasion we had to prep the building in the early morning for the night ahead. However on the first year approx 1986/87 were unable to get in as the lock had frozen/seased on the outside since the building had been last used.
Being the smallest kid ,and with the promoise of a present, I was hoisted up through a broken top window on a dark cold Novemver morning and instructed to unlock/open the door from the inside, needles to say I was not happy and a bituneasy about walking through a cold very dark old building.
We managed to get the door open and had a scout round and in all the other buildings ( and an area called the Nook) as my dad needed to mark out areas for people to pitch their caravans. Over a few hours we found loads of inscriptions, names and innitials which we took to be from service men and women during its operational life.

The vast majority of the buildings at this time were used as storage by the landowner/farmer but he was still more than happy to open up the buildings in the are called the Nook which were still intact.

Great times

North by sea
17-10-2011, 14:46
Millfield is near to where my folks live; for the record, last time I was there I took a drive around the perimeter and there are are scant remains :sad:

Think there is a fairly intact firing butt in a field, along with most of the tarmac from the east side of the runway, plus a Nissen hut in someone's back garden

Perhaps the "money shot" however is the stone eagle perched atop a globe supposedly carved by an Italian POW. This is on private land now, so I intend to politely ask the owner if I can shoot it nxt time I'm there ;-)


When I was a kid (early/mid 80's) we used to go up to Milfield every year to run a caravan rally for the northumberland center of the caravan club. My dad was a huge nut on all things connected to aviation, which was eagerly transferred to myslef, and he always jumped at the chance to attend the Milfield Rally.
To this end I have a large stack (20/40) of good quality photos of Milfield and the majority of the buildings and hard standing areas bfore they were demolished. Included in these are a few photos of the Eagle orbs complete with inscription.

If you are interrested I would be more than happy to dig some of these out and post on here or produce some coppies and send them to you. They were taken with a good quality camera ( Pentax slr with a veriety of lenses) and are fond memories of time spent with my dad before he passed on.

My memories of the area are still relitivly good so I am able to discribe the general layout of the time.

Peter Kirk
17-10-2011, 16:50
North by Sea, we would very much like to see the photos you took. If you are not aware of their original purpose of the buildings no doubt someone will fill in the gaps. I found the easiest way is to upload the lot onto a photo sharing site (I used Photbucket) and post a link to the relevant album, assuming you want them to be shared by all, and then post a few on the forum.

North by sea
18-10-2011, 23:40
6408

Millfield Orb

Hurricane1037
23-09-2012, 19:58
Does anyone remember a program on the TV called the Bomb hunters, all about the recovery of kit fro the nearby ranges. In the program I recall a sequence showing the buildings on site just before they were removed.

tynesideirish
06-04-2015, 22:56
This is the home page ; http://www.milfield.org.uk/

As it says , based on the book 'MILFIELD , not just an airfield' by Alan Evans and first published in 1994 . I'll post the full book details in the Media Section and there is also a nice airfield memorial there now too which has not appeared on the forum yet .

Info only: The link on that thread is infected. My Computer Anti Virus had to block an attack from it.

John Anderson
20-05-2015, 19:26
I picked up a new book "Victory Fighters' by Stephen Darlow in a charity shop recently for little money. Interested to see some information on an instructors course run at Milfield in 1943.

Page 77

Re Typhoon pilot (3 Squadron) Flight Sergeant Bob Cole in “September 1943 transferred to No. 1 SLAIS (Special Low Attack Instructor’s School) Milfield to undergo intense ground-attack training, flying a Hurricane IV, as per his logbook: low level bombing practice; dive-bombing practice; low attacks on a tank using cine camera; 40mm firing on wreck; 40mm firing on screen target; low flying + dive on ground target using cine camera; 40mm + machine-gun attacks on ground target; 40mm + machine gun attacks on tank; low flying; formation flying; cine-camera attacks on tank concentration; RP (rocket projectile) firing 4 pairs + cine-camera attack; RP firing at beach target 4 singles; RP firing at beach target 4 pairs; RP firing at beach target 2 prs. per attack; 8 RPs: RP firing at beach target section attacks; RP firing at beach target 4 prs. night.”

2nd week of October he returned to his squadron at Manston.

Doddington Moor range was probably the location for dive bombing. Horton Moor for the cine-camera work, with gunnery and RP at Goswick/Holy Island ranges

Peter Kirk
20-05-2015, 20:37
The 40mm firing on a wreck sounds interesting.There was a ship target on the Goswick Sands part of the ranges and I had assumed it was a dummy or mock up. I will have to see what wrecks were recorded around that time to see if anything fits. The 40mm and R/P would have reduced the wreck quite quickly so it may have been replaced or enhanced before the end of the war. The Goswick area undoubtedly underwent constant changes to shore based gunnery and R/P targets as they became too far gone.

Horton is an odd one as it is referred to as a range by some but I suspect it may have been an Army manouvre practice area as the references are to moving targets, both tanks and soft vehicles and probably troop concentrations. This sort of practice was commonly carried out by Army Co-op Squadrons and others on any Army units all over the country to satisfy training requirements on both sides. I also think that a soft bomb, unlikely to be flour, was used to mark any vehicular hits without damaging it, or the occupants. Evidence for this is sketchy and unclear and I largely dismissed it but when you get a number of unconnnected bits, i.e. not from the same source, you think there may be something in it.

The AP I have of Doddington shows nothing but a DB target can be quite small.

Excellent info from that book to add to the puzzle.

John Anderson
21-05-2015, 12:19
Just to confuse things, my ordnance survey map shows a Doddington North Moor (not surprisingly to the north of Doddington) and a Doddington Moor to the east.

Iain Taylor
21-05-2015, 12:55
Info only: The link on that thread is infected. My Computer Anti Virus had to block an attack from it.

No sign of anything virus related on that site. No nasty skimlinks, adverts or redirects either?

Peter Kirk
21-05-2015, 15:19
Avast won't let me in either. Thankfully I had visited the site a few years back. Still it would be good to find out why it is creating problems. I suspect it is something harmless but triggers some sort of flag in the AV software. I might try it in my sandbox but the fine quartz is a bu**er to get out of the keyboard.

Regarding Doddington Moor, I believe it was the North Moor, although not confirmed. This was based on a map on the problem website, which although very pixellated gave a rowgh location. Also in the area are two quadrant type buildings, at leeast from plan view in GE, at NT 997 362 and NU 010 344. I have been unable to confirm what they are so remain some to check. Sadly OS 1:2500 scale maps are inconsistant in recording extant remains with some showing quadrant shelters and even arrows long after the ranges were closed but others which are very obvious todfay are not. I suspect there is a size limit and the old QS's must be borderline.

Iain Taylor
21-05-2015, 16:25
Also in the area are two quadrant type buildings, at leeast from plan view in GE, at NT 997 362 and NU 010 344.

First grid reference is just outside a farm yard so cannot be what you mean. There is a small square brick building at 399724, 636298 on 1:2500 maps from 1965 to current as well as on current 1:500 (the position on the maps is consistent and doesn't quite match with the structure visible on Bing/Google aerial imagery).
Second there is no building marked on any post 1965 map and it is now covered by a new strip of plantation.

Any chance of 8 or 10 figure references Peter?


(the reason your anti-virus software throws a wobbler is some of the javascript which is designed for search engine optimisation - it's not dangerous but it is aggressive so some scanners will see it as a threat)

Peter Kirk
21-05-2015, 17:22
Apologies, my WTP screen grabs seem to show grid references that are not relevant to the image and maps. I suspect I may have fixed them and moved on - this was five years ago!

I have had a quick look at the area again and noted buildings that might fit at

NT 99726 36294
NT 98731 37817
NU 01318 34232 - Marked as a water tower

They may all be farm related but without ground shots or a Bing oblique it is difficult to be sure. As I haven't touched the Doddoington info for 5 years I will take another look to see if any can be discounted by logic.

Iain Taylor
21-05-2015, 20:15
Thanks Peter. With those references the first is the small square building visible on aerial photos and just marked as an outline on the maps.
The second is shown as a covered reservoir on 1:500 map but again shows as a square building on aerial photos.
The third is shown as "tanks" on 1:500 map and again shows as a square building on aerial photos.

Peter Kirk
22-05-2015, 10:14
It doesn't sound as if they were range related. Neither Doddington or Horton were listed as ranges in the early post war lists. Holy Island Ranges, of which Goswick sands was part, were. As Horton was probably only an Army range used, as other Army ranges were, for dummy attacks I am inclined to think Doddington was an improvised range. It was possibly without quadrants and practices recorded by camera gun to show accuracy. If the target was circular an assessor could tell height, distance and probably speed along with angle of attack.