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Carnaby
10-09-2010, 22:11
This is the discussion thread for this audit (http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?5200-RAF-Y-Stations-etc.)

Anyone know where 'Tean' is?

Richard Flagg
10-09-2010, 22:25
Is Tean not in Staffs?

papabravo
10-09-2010, 23:22
Tean is in Staffs. - not far from Uttoxeter but wasn't the Y service station at Cheadle? - that's also Staffs. but not close enough to be confused. Was there a subsite at Cheam/ A relay or suchlike.

PETERTHEEATER
11-09-2010, 07:20
There is a TEAN in the Scilly Isles.

PNK
11-09-2010, 09:24
I recall a picture of the 'Y' station at Hawkinge but can't recall where.

airfields man
11-09-2010, 09:49
What would I be looking for at the Monks Risborough [ Int ] station ?

Carnaby
11-09-2010, 10:46
Re the order of the original list - it was as per Bletchley's list. It started in the north of Scotland and moved south which seemed logical. Then part way down it lost the plot. I'm happy with the alphabetical order, and the following lists will comply. Just have a very slight issue with some of the dual names for stations - not entirely convinced that the first name of the pair is the correct one. We can live with that.

Thanks for re-ordering Peter.

Graham

Paul Francis
11-09-2010, 10:55
Was there not a BBC station at Woburn, the main building of which survives today

ted angus
11-09-2010, 14:13
Kingask and Hawklaw in Fife were almost adjoining Hawklaw is again on the for sale market, it wasa expanded after WW2 and had some cold war role. but Kingask little trace; Very old locals tell me the ridge they were on which ran parrallel to the Cupar to Dairsie rd was a mass of aerial during and after the war. there seems to be a second part to Kingask at Foxton

http://www.secretscotland.org.uk/index.php/Secrets/KingaskListeningStation?from=Secrets.FoxtonListeni ngStation

canberra
11-09-2010, 16:31
I might be getting confused but wasnt one of the two in Fife a GCHQ outstation until the eighties?

ted angus
11-09-2010, 17:00
Yes Hawklaw it was handed from the PO to the FO

NJR
11-09-2010, 17:30
Should Branston Mere in Lincs be on?

canberra
12-09-2010, 10:51
I wonder if the Thurso site was what became the US Navy facility there?

Paul Francis
12-09-2010, 13:03
Chicksands was in the early days all three services (see the Chicksands history that will shortly be posted on the CMS)

Carnaby
12-09-2010, 15:00
Should Branston Mere in Lincs be on?
It's under 'Waddington' in the RAF list as 'Mere Branston'. Proving the official name for these sites could be difficult.

Graham

canberra
12-09-2010, 16:15
How was the Post Office or as it would have been called in those days The GPO involved?

Carnaby
12-09-2010, 21:05
How was the Post Office involved?
I wondered about that too, then found:

The story begins with a Post Office radio station at St Albans that was secretly reporting German wireless traffic to the Foreign Office in 1932. By the end of 1938, the military authorities asked the Post Office to set up a network of eavesdropping stations the first of which was built at Sandridge near St Albans.
The three Armed services each built their own networks but more secret still were those operated by the Foreign Office and MI5 and MI6 who successfully tapped directly into the highest levels of German Secret Service communications.


I guess that the info passed to Bletchley was unknown until decoded - it could then transpire that the Navy had unknowingly forwarded a message originated by the Luftwaffe etc.

Graham

canberra
15-09-2010, 19:07
That answers that then, but Im from mthe fair city of St Albans and knew nothing about a GPO station at Sandridge, I wonder if it was an experimantal station? And was it involved with telegrams?

Carnaby
16-09-2010, 18:59
Updates in Archive (http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?5200-RAF-Y-Stations-etc.) for:

1) Several units in War Office section
2) Knockholt (Foreign Office section)

Source: England Needs You - The Story of Beaumanor, Joan Nicholls, 2000

Graham

alistaire
05-10-2010, 16:00
would you please tell me what a Y station is.
Thanks.

Carnaby
05-10-2010, 17:19
would you please tell me what a Y station is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-stations

Richard Drew
24-10-2010, 11:11
Shaftesbury Y station is now a creamery and has been for many years, I worked in Shaftesbury about 20 years ago and had to repair their old Leyland box delivery vans.The site is gradually being swamped in housing in the next few years.

Carnaby
24-10-2010, 12:28
Shaftesbury Y station is now a creamery.
Where was it Richard?

Richard Drew
24-10-2010, 16:25
.http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.01204008094286&lon=-2.1791765638792002&gz=17&oz=10&gt=1 Shaftesbury, Dorset

Carnaby
24-10-2010, 17:00
Thanks Richard. I note the archive shows two entries:

RAF: Shaftesbury, Dorset (Int/DF) (closed Jan 1944)
Post Office: Wincombe, Shaftesbury (Int) (11 sets)
Your site is clearly the last one - however, it is probably the RAF site as well. The source for the archive (Bletchley Park) is very open-ended! Any further info regarding one / two sites?

Graham

Carnaby
25-10-2010, 14:08
Whilst looking for another radio station in Northern Ireland I came across some information about Gilnahirk, the RSS Intercept Station.

I suspect it may be here (http://goo.gl/maps/YgFx). though one source stated that it was demolished.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/11/a8533811.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/yourplaceandmine/londonderry/A732296.shtml

Not entirely convinced about sitting in an underground metal box. The article clearly states that the station had D/F facilities, though the site id described as Intercept only

Always lots of loose ends to tie up.

Graham

the_historian
25-10-2010, 16:07
Not entirely convinced about sitting in an underground metal box. The article clearly states that the station had D/F facilities, though the site id described as Intercept only
Graham

It's actually right! I remember an issue of Shortwave Magazine around 1990 had an article on one of these; a farmer had decided to dig up what he had always thought was an old car buried in one of his fields, and unearthed what looked like an enormous fuel tank. Subsequent research found the site had been a Y Service station, and the 'tank' was actually where the rig and operator worked from, the idea being to completely shield the radio from spurious emissions by burying it and completely shielding the feeder cable. All that would have been seen above ground were a couple of huts for accommodation and cooking, and the aerial masts.
Not my cup of tea.

Carnaby
25-10-2010, 17:13
It's actually right!
Amazing. I wonder how many of the sites were like this. All the Marconi-Adcock pictures in books show 'the wooden hut'. However a web search suggests that several had metal tanks.

Meanwhile, a link (http://goo.gl/maps/RLu7) to the Brora station.

Graham

airfields man
25-10-2010, 18:47
What would I be looking for at the Monks Risborough [ Int ] station ?
Anyone know ?

Carnaby
26-10-2010, 13:20
AFM - I think the lack of response to your question says a lot. Very little seems to be known about these sites. I Googled many of the names in the audit with no hits whatsoever on most of them.

This site is mentioned in a number of TNA files in the HW 14 category (Government Code and Cypher School: Directorate: Second World War Policy Papers), one example being HW14/104 which contains details of John de Grey's report Apr 6 on his visits to Met Office intercept stations at Dunstable and Monks Risborough, GPS to WTC Apr 8 with details of GP and German military nets suitable for cover trial at Monks Risborough,

Note the site is described as Met Office, not RAF (shared / one-and-the-same?).

I suspect this site is a significantly smaller version of the Brora and Gilhnahirk ones above.

Would like to know a lot more about these if I get the time :roll:

Graham

airfields man
26-10-2010, 20:56
I call at Monks Risborough every friday so will make a few enquires this week, failing that it's only about 15 minutes away and there's a handy little Tesco's on the Monks Risborough side of Princes Risborough, a sunday morning job. I also call at Luton/Dunstable on thursdays but it's a Very busy place just getting to my customers, but I'll ask some of the older ones if they recall any WWII Radio/Radar sites etc.

ww2ni
31-10-2010, 16:26
I was at Portrush recently and could find no evidence remaining of the station which was there. Sad!

ted angus
31-10-2010, 18:59
I call at Monks Risborough every friday so will make a few enquires this week, failing that it's only about 15 minutes away and there's a handy little Tesco's on the Monks Risborough side of Princes Risborough, a sunday morning job. I also call at Luton/Dunstable on thursdays but it's a Very busy place just getting to my customers, but I'll ask some of the older ones if they recall any WWII Radio/Radar sites etc.

There are at least 2 stories re the Dunstable met wireless station on the BBC WW2 people at war site. I used to cycle for too many miles when i was a kid and often cycled past the aerial farm. I will look on Google earth and try and locate it. My Dad knew it was a met station as did my uncle who used to work out of a depot in Acton he was a RAF SGT wireless mech during WW2.

TED

ted angus
01-11-2010, 11:05
According to personal stories on the BBC and local history sites; the entrance was on Worthington Rd, I picked up Worthington Rd on GE but of course its changed beyond all recognition even the fire station I remember closed in 2007 and has been demolished. Having found the road go back to 1945 and I think you will have no problem seeing the area of the aerials and slightly south of the end of worthington Rd ( as it was then) is a collection of buildings which may well be the Air Ministry hutted camp, which is mentioned in various stories. Having found all that move the slide back to current days and I think the conclusion will be not a trace is left ??

TED.

Carnaby
01-11-2010, 13:06
Thanks, Ted. I'm surprised it was so close to 'habitation'. I would have thought that these stations would be located well away from regular electrical interference, including the motor car. However I guess in those days there weren't too many Black & Deckers or cars around.

Graham

ted angus
01-11-2010, 13:54
hi Graham even when I used to cycle passed, what i remember of the aerials it was right on the edge of habitation that would be circa 1960-3, As the crow flies the aerials at edlesborough were not far then of course there was Stanbridge. My old grey cells are telling me there were several aerial farms in that neck of the woods.
Some of the on line stories mention seco huts my brain is saying just a handful of wooden huts but these may have been near the aerials as opposed to the little hutted village ??

TED

Carnaby
19-11-2010, 12:55
Just watched again the 'Coast' programme featuring Sheringham 'Y' station. It stated that on this stretch of coastline there were another eight stations:
Cromer, North and South Walsham, Gorleston, Bradwell, Southwold, Saxmundham, Felixstowe.

It added that Bletchley Park maintains a list of the 'Y' stations which they know is incomplete. After WWII, owing to the secrecy they were all quickly dismantled.

Graham

Stan Ames
25-02-2011, 21:03
"Y" stations were an abbrevation for WW2 "Wireless Intercept" stations and included direction finding stations. Lists of stations and their locations are available to the public in the National Archive file HW 41/401. I have posted some of thie contents here:-
https://docs.google.com/#folders/folder.0.0BygmcfGwGAuBOTg3ZGYwZDYtZjJhMS00MjQ2LWIx NGMtZmEwZTg2MmRmOTEw

I have also provided a general description of the stations and their work at http://www.freewebs.com/ystations/

Another useful site to learn more about WW2 wireless interception is www.secretlisteners.org.

Stan

canberra
25-02-2011, 21:22
Id wondered why(sorry!) they were called Y stations, now I know.

ranger
26-02-2011, 00:27
Hi Richard

The Y station at Shaftesbury is at the top of wincombe lane near the Ten Acres estate, it was being operated by the Americans in the early 1970's, it was worked in connection with the sites at Bulbarrow and Ringstead Bay, I used to drink with the guys, who were well known around the Shaftesbury area. ranger

PETERTHEEATER
26-02-2011, 06:24
Welcome to AiX stan.

Useful information in your post and links.

ted angus
27-02-2011, 00:11
Many thanks STAN
regards TED

Pillboxman
22-03-2011, 12:50
I know that this thread is very old, but maybe someone is monitoring it and may get some useful info from this.

1 - Carnaby said that he could not find a location for "Fairness" HDU. There is a location marked as Fairness just east of Comrie in Scotland - NN 7894 2127.

2 - The Fortress Study Group have located 5 RF sites around Goonhaven in Cornwall.

a10694
26-03-2011, 20:15
A few pages from a book at RAF Chicksands

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/p10694/y%20stations/DSCF1651.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/p10694/y%20stations/DSCF1646.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/p10694/y%20stations/DSCF1645.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/p10694/y%20stations/DSCF1644.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/p10694/y%20stations/DSCF1619.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/p10694/y%20stations/DSCF1650.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/p10694/y%20stations/DSCF1649.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/p10694/y%20stations/DSCF1648.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/p10694/y%20stations/DSCF1647.jpg

Carnaby
24-04-2011, 17:32
"Y" stations were an abbrevation for WW2 "Wireless Intercept" stations

Id wondered why(sorry!) they were called Y stations, now I know.
Just been reading 'Secret Wireless War' which mentions that the 'Wireless Intercept' stations became known as 'WI' stations which was simplified to 'Y' stations.

Stan Ames
11-09-2011, 19:14
Underground tanks The story behind the guys working in metal tanks underground is interesting. One group of interceptors was The Radio Security Service who worked for MI6 and listened for German Secret Service transmissions to their spies in other countries. They had a number of D.F. stations and some involved the operators working in underground tanks. This was the result of a mistake! Int 1941 they decided to build 7 new DF station of a new type called Spaced Loop. Unfortunately the new type proved unsuiatable and was abandoned in 1942, but not before the tanks had been installed. In the end they still used the tanks but with the earlier Adcock DF system.

I only know of one remaining tank in a field at Marsh Farm, Stockland Bristol near Bridgwater. All you can see is a rusty metal beam above ground level. I was very interested in the story that one tank was dug up by a farmer thinking it was a car! There is a photo of one dug up near Halkirk near Thurso in Scotland. More information at http://www.secretlisteners.org recently upgraded with a lot of new information.

Stan

Stan Ames
12-09-2011, 11:17
TEAN Y STATION. Carnaby asked about TEAN at the start of this thread and I have just found a reference to it in a list I obtained from National Archives.

It is listed as Oakhill (TEAN) and described as a Main Intercept station with a note in pencil "Standby for Cheadle"

Rather a late reply but hope it helps.

Stan

Carnaby
12-09-2011, 13:23
Thanks Stan - bizzarely I too traced it a couple of weeks ago - probably from the same document you were looking at. Had intended to update the archive, but a fair bit of work is required if I do it all in one go - which makes sense.

On my recent visit I noticed that their big display board listing the 'Y' stations, together with the map, had disappeared. They didn't seem to know the reason. Perhaps they are updating too - there were a number of obvious (with hindsight!) errors on it. E.g. 'Fairness' should read 'Fayreness' (near Broadstairs).

Stan Ames
12-09-2011, 19:01
Carnaby
Where was the map? National Archives?

I have just looked up Fayreness and the address was :- Fayreness Hotel,Kingsgate, Nr Broadstairs. the lat long was 51deg 5 1/4 min North, 1deg 24 min East. not very accurate bit it will give a general area. The hotel was probably where the crew were billeted.

I,m sitting with my feet up after an accidental fall so plenty of time on my hands to check things out! There was a complete aerial survey of UK by the RAF in 1946 48 and most county archives have their own set.... Very useful for spotting Y stations. Have you tried that?

Stan

Carnaby
12-09-2011, 20:08
Where was the map? National Archives?
No - Bletchley - this is it before its removal
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o102/grahamcrisp/DSCN0750.jpg
Unfortunately there are no numbers on the coloured pins to refer to the site names.
I'll send you a pm shortly Stan.

Jenna
15-09-2011, 14:32
Bletchley is having a major rework, new management and a big swap round in who there (the sub organisations)... some even being kicked off site!

A bit of a side shoot but I have now located what I'm fairly sure is Arkley View SCU.
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.650636&lon=-0.227907&z=19.2&r=0&src=msl

added to my google map too.
http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?6672-Bedfordshires-hidden-WWII-past...

Stan Ames
16-09-2011, 10:06
Dear Jenna

Arkley view was very close to the bulding in your picture, that was called Arkely Lodge and was also used by RSS. Arkley view was to the left and further back from the road. I have a 1946 aerial photo that shows the house and the intercept building behind it. As it grew in size and importance during WW2 they took over many of the local houses.5930
In this picture Arkley Lodge is near the right hand edge. It was much smaller than it is now. Arkley View itself seems to have been demolished to build a group of new houses. You can see WW2 photos of the front and rear of Arkely View at www.secretlisteners.org.
All best
Stan

Jenna
16-09-2011, 11:28
Excellent information Stan, many thanks.

Thanks to Stan's info I managed to get my hands on some of the local archive and can add a bit more....

The house I have highlighted is 'Oaklands' and 'Arkley View' was across the road under the houses built in 1964.

"Oaklands was the administrative section and orderly room whilst the sergeants' mess was in Scotswood on the opposite side of the main road. Various large houses such as The Lawns,
Rowley Lodge and Meadow Bank were used as billets" from Bob King (G3ASE) notes.

Another location nailed down, thanks Stan.

GE with pre 1964 map overlay.
http://www.raidxtreme.eu/webpics/arkley3.jpg

OS pre war map
http://www.raidxtreme.eu/webpics/arkley1.jpg

pre war map with 1964 builders overlay
http://www.raidxtreme.eu/webpics/arkley4.jpg

Stan Ames
18-09-2011, 16:33
Jenna
A nice piece of research and a nifty piece of map overlay, excellent.

Your sources are impeccable too, you can't get better than Bob King, he was there on the spot at the time.

RSS seem to have taken over most of the large houses in Arkley for one use or another. I wonder what the locals thought was going on! They were all in Royal Signals uniform so nobody would have known they worked for MI6.
All best
Stan

HF Dave
28-09-2011, 21:25
No mention of Bedell's End, near Chelmsford in Essex?
I know this site was later used by the Marconi Company for DF / radar research, but was it originally a WWII intercept site?

ColinBa
28-09-2011, 22:37
Some years ago David Hare wrote a play for TV Licking Hitler about this era. It was almost impossible to obtain until I spotted this
http://www.stojo.com/PFT_Hitler_Stockers.html
It is a copy from VHS but view-able. Stocker's Copper was also one of the best plays of its generation

Carnaby
29-09-2011, 08:52
No mention of Bedell's End, near Chelmsford in Essex?
I know this site was later used by the Marconi Company for DF / radar research, but was it originally a WWII intercept site?
Welcome to Aix Dave.

Don't think Bedell's End was a Y Station, though I am still working through some 'new' ones not in the audit. I assume your site is somewhere around HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.85414430024161&lon=0.5653514549091546&gz=15&oz=8&gt=1),

There was an Interservice station at Chelmsford close to HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.74919985801723&lon=0.428888875019486&gz=16&oz=8&gt=1).

HF Dave
29-09-2011, 12:52
Welcome to Aix Dave.

Don't think Bedell's End was a Y Station, though I am still working through some 'new' ones not in the audit. I assume your site is somewhere around HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.85414430024161&lon=0.5653514549091546&gz=15&oz=8>=1),

There was an Interservice station at Chelmsford close to HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.74919985801723&lon=0.428888875019486&gz=16&oz=8>=1).


Thanks.

I would say both those locations are 'Bedells End', a general area within Writtle, to the west of Chelmsford.
The site is listed as SMR 15939 (see http://unlockingessex.essexcc.gov.uk for example) where it is mentioned that it 'may' have opened during WWII. There was certainly an underground bunker, though this may have been constructed for a later radar system. There is nothing there to see today, other than a short stretch of tarmac.

Carnaby
29-09-2011, 15:45
I suspect the Marconi D/F station used the site of the wartime 'Y' station which was at wM 124272 (=TL 678085)

The corresponding station at Ford End was wM 102352 Link (http://wM%20124%20272%20%28=TL678%20085%29%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0AThe%20corresponding%20station%20at%20Ford%20 End%20was%20wM102352%20and%20wM%20121344%20%28TL66 5157%29). The control room was at wM 121344 (TL665157)

Source: TNA HW41/401


I note that Flight magazine states Bedells End is near Cheltenham ! (oops)

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959 - 3467.html (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959%20-%203467.html)

Stan Ames
03-10-2011, 23:13
There are records of an HF DF station at Bedells End, it was described as an Interservice Research facility. It was located on the western edge of current Chelmsford a few 100m north of the A1060 Roxwell Rd. The site continued to be used by Marconi after WW2 for aviation radio research.

The 5 DF stations at Ford End were very interesting. They were built in the latter stages of WW2 to get more accurate fixes on U-boats and continued well after WW2 under Composite Signals. The only information I have about its post war work is that at least one of the operators spoke fluent Russian! If you look on Google satellite you will see the original control rooms still present (two nissen huts end to end) near the junction of Pleshey Rd and Park Rd south of Ford End. 1946 aerial photo of the 2 control rooms near the bottom and one of the DF stations attached.6271

Stan

Stan Ames
04-10-2011, 16:33
Here is a photo of what the Ford End control rooms look like now. Inside they are very much the same as they were left in the 1970s.
6277

6278
Stan

HF Dave
03-11-2011, 22:10
You can also still see remains of the concrete tracks laid between the five DF sites and the command post. For example there is a broken bridge crossing a ditch between the 4th and 5th site (counting from 1 to 5 west to east):
6505

And here is the track visible at the edge of the field north of the command post:

6506

From a quick glance at the OS maps, site 5 (most westerly) seems to have been removed in the 1950s (was this the spare one in the original configuration), and by the 1970s only site 3 seems to be left. I know that Marconis did some installation tests here in 1944.

Stan Ames
04-11-2011, 17:43
HF Dave
I didn't realise there were any of the tracks remaining at Ford End, a nice piece of investigation. I remember speaking to the Son of the farmer who went with his Dad to deliver milk to all the stations in his car, so there must have been tracks for vehicles to all of them. There was a note in the archives about there already being a station at Ford End which prompted them to use it as the location of the first group of 5 stations. Marconi installed the group and I have a copy of their report although its a huge document filled with loads of test data. The photo below shows the title page. If anyone is interested I could put the report on the net for people to download.
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Robyn Griffiths
05-11-2011, 17:08
This afternoon I walked to the two of the locations of RAF Kingsdown Y Station

This is Mizpah (meaning Watchtower) on Fawkham Road, West Kingsdown as it is today. The house was the office part of the station and a disused toy factory behind was the operations area. I can't get into to see that site yet. I hope to on Monday

6522

The Station then moved about 3/4 of a mile up the road to Hollywood Manor on School Lane. Again I can't get into the Manor without an invite and the photo's are taken from the road.

651965206521

I should be able to get photos as and when I get invited into the locations

Stan Ames
01-12-2011, 16:02
For some time I have been confused about Y station(s) in Dunstable. If you check Google maps at the junction of Tring Rd running east from Dunstable and Leighton Rd -(google maps/earth 51.849114,-0.582919). You will see a "+" shaped building in a field surrounded by marks suggesting earlier aerials. I thought this was a Meteo Y station run by the Met Office in WW2 and it was stated as such on several sites. But it was in fact an RAF, high power transmitting station built in WW2 and vacated in the 1990s.

The Meteo Y station was actually near Drovers Way on the northern ege of Dunstable near the A5 -Google Earth 1945 - (51.885339,-0.537944). I finally tracked down this elusive station with the help of David White at Bletchley Park and Martin Briscoe of Fort William. A dim image can be seen on 1945 Google earth images, but you can see a cleaned up version here -
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33983550/WW2/DunstableMet.jpg
I hope to find a clearer image at Beds. archives.

Stan

ted angus
01-12-2011, 17:59
Hi Stan did you see my post No 34 on this thread. People who served at The Met Y station have stated on the BBC site that the entrance was off Worthington Road. It is in the area where Worthington Rd joins Drovers way. The Co-ord I have from GE : entrance is 51.530574 0.320962. The area you show I make 51.530979. 0.322677. there is a hutted camp ? at 51.525336 0.320425

TED

Jenna
01-12-2011, 23:55
The entrance to the Met Y at Dunstable was indeed on Worthington Rd, as that time drovers way never existed.. the entrance was just before the last semi before Drovers way (this semi being built with the Drovers Way construction).. the GE cords are 51.884857, -0.536329.

The actual site is the block now accessed by Weatherby Road.... 51.887413,-0.540669

This information came to me via Brian Audric who is a bit of an expert on the MO/IDA Dunstable. I have a copy of his editorial to the RMS back in 2000 here if its any help.
www.raidxtreme.eu/webpics/rms2000.pdf

I compile a list of WW2 sites in the Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire and Hertfordshire...
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=205232467789676308748.0004a5a74f9785e3c9a40&ie=UTF8&ll=51.937492,-0.503998&spn=0.768773,1.674042&z=10


Ted, I remember reading you knew Sundon Park well at one time.... I have come across a site that you may able to help with. According to some paperwork there was a 'training centre' at the the end of Whitefield Avenue during WW2 but I can find no further information can you help? It became the Heron Business Park under the ownership of a friend (and old boss) until recently when it was redeveloped as housing.
FE location is here http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.91489&lon=-0.471434&z=18.5&r=0&src=msl

ted angus
02-12-2011, 00:49
Jenna firstly Sundon Park. My parents moved to third ave in 1940 from London, Dad started then at Commers Mum was in the Ministry of Labour & national Service. On Sundon Park road not far from the turning into Whitefield Ave was the home of Dr O Donnell the surgery was also in his house on the left side as viewed on your flashearth about opposite the S in the road title. . just into Whitefield there was a shop in the front room of a house 2 or 3 houses down on the right, the guy was called Coyer or similar. Coyer & my Dad were the wardens for ARP for Sundon Park, there post was in the shop as it had a phone. . I was told Dr O Donnell's house was hit by incendaries one night, My Dad always reckoned they were after either SKEFCO just a mile further north or the training centre- I was never told what the training centre did ???

OK question, I just looked at the Met Y again on GE and then on Flashearth, Why when I look up do I get a totally different westerly everyone is quoteing 0.54etc mine reads 0.32etc on both GE and flashearth. please see attached.
regards TED

Jenna
02-12-2011, 10:46
Thanks Ted, I did find information on a Mr Cheek ARP Warden and there is a mention of another at 18 Whitefield Road (BLARS archive, 9 Oct 1940) but no name. I have wondered if the training centre was Home Guard?.... I'll go back into the records to see if I missed any thing.

The mismatch over co ords is your set to Deg-Min-Sec, I use decimal Degrees as the default as its easier to work with.... with DMS you will find the error will increase further from 0,0 you move hence the problem.

ted angus
02-12-2011, 11:13
Morning Jenna, my parents were in Sundon Park before the december 40 blitz on London from stories they told me, but possibly only just. . I have tried to pick up the door numbers on Whitefield without success. Coyer was in one of the first 3 semi blocks on the right as you enter from sundon park road. and he was in a right hand house of which ever one it was.

As a kid we got over into the training centre many times but my memory tells me they were mostly brick buildings flat concrete roofs but not what I would associate with residential accom. but its 50 + years ago now.

re GE co-ords yes that is the problem I am still in old money not decimal.

regards TED

Stan Ames
02-12-2011, 16:37
Ted
Thanks for that I had not noticed your #34, you got there before me. My Co ord is half way between the end of Worthington Rd and the huts. I'm having difficulty with the two references you gave because they are much further south (51.53 rather than 51.88) The 1945 images show lots of tracks between the end of Worthington Rd and the field containing the huts so that's where much of the traffic entered at that time as JENNA explained. My location information came from David White of Bletchely Park who worked at the Dunstable station briefly in 1958 and he got to it down Brewers Hill Rd from the A5. Does anyone know if Beds Archives have a collection of the 1945 RAF survey images? They should have, each county was offered a collection covering their their area. The originals are much better resolution than shown in G.E. We may learn more from them.

This Met Office paper is interesting, it has a detailed description and photos of the buildings and aerials. http://www.rmets.org/pdf/hist02.pdf

Stan

ted angus
02-12-2011, 18:29
Hi Stan, The attached might help red pin is the piece you posted at message 65 via DROPBOX. . The yellow pin is approx the end of Worthington Rd, the green pin may be a hutted camp ?? The old money Lat Long is on the bottom of the picture so it should help ypou to locate using decimal.

I don't know hardly anything about records in Beds; Left school at 15 to join the RAF in 1964 and hardly went back, my parents moved back north, so the longest stays subsequently in BEDS were courses at Henlow/Cardington in 1983 and 1994/5

TED

Jenna
03-12-2011, 10:31
the MO/IDA Dunstable site was in operation/use up to the early 1960's and in its later day the access was off Drovers Way (just opposite Westfield Road), when they built the current housing estate in the mid 60's the entrance was kept and is still used as a footpath.

http://www.raidxtreme.eu/webpics/aa13.jpg

One aspect that always puzzled me was that during the run up to D-Day Dunstable was used to store tanks manufactured in the Vauxhall (Commer/Bedford trucks) plant in Luton, documents show that West Street and Green Lane that surround the site were used!... surely this was a little 'risky'?

The Owen family owned and run the whiting works to the south of the site during the war and I am led to believe they boarded some of the staff, more information this is probably available through the Dunstable Historical Society.

The buildings on Meadway could have been one of many uses as the immediate area had many 'uses' such as the rifle range on the downs, the POW camp at the gliding club etc etc The houses (piper court) that are there now were built in the late 60's and the only photo I have of the area (the site of The Cali Club) is below.

http://www.raidxtreme.eu/webpics/aa13a.jpg

ted angus
03-12-2011, 13:07
One aspect that always puzzled me was that during the run up to D-Day Dunstable was used to store tanks manufactured in the Vauxhall (Commer/Bedford trucks) plant in Luton, documents show that West Street and Green Lane that surround the site were used!... surely this was a little 'risky'


Jenna, re the tanks. Vauxhall/Bedford was of course one company an arm of GM motors which of course was American. ( Bedford being the commercial side). At the beginning of WW2 they only had one plant and that is the one near the airport. Commer /Karrier was one firm using 2 badges and was part of the Rootes Group; it was situated in Biscot Rd. Not long after my Dad was called up in 44 the plant was hit by a V2.
In 1938 Vauxhall aquired some land at Dunstable for development in the future for truck manufacturing as no further large scale expansion was possible for them in Luton. There is a thought that the government assisted/ encouraged this aquisition as a potential shadow factory site.
Once Vauxhall/ Bedford became the lead company for the Churchill , the dormant land at Dunstable became the site of tank manufacture, the site was also later concurrently used as a refurb workshop for lorries. There were 10 other factories under Vauxhall leadership devoted to Churchill manufacture, Hayward Tyler in Luton being a major player for large assemblies.
The aquired land on which the tank plant was built was near the AC Delco spark plug factory. After WW2 Vauxhall aquired further adjacent land and this became the site of the new truck plant in Boscombe Rd. At the same time Commer aquired land accross Boscombe Rd and built their new truck factory.
The two companies were never linked, in fact arch rivals for the same markets. Storing products in the street was normal, I have seen many photos of lines of vehicles in the streets around Luton.
regards TED

mbriscoe
06-07-2012, 22:13
I wonder if the Thurso site was what became the US Navy facility there?

No the US Navy site was further West at Forss (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/sets/72157628110213412/with/6337316976/)

There are lots of wireless intercept and DF sites around Caithness.

mbriscoe
06-07-2012, 22:27
The Oban RN station was at Kilmore but nothing left of it. The footprint shows on the post-war aerial image but the site seems to have already been cleared.

I found what was probably RN DF on Tiree, still building and stayblocks. Also one at Sheigra, different type of building but survives - not been there but got some images sent to me.

We think there was a RN DF site at the Butt of Lewis. It gets confusing because there is a reference to one called Gallon Head and that name not used for anywhere around there but there is a similar named place at Aird Uig but nothing seems to have been there in WWII. There was a Lloyd's then Marconi signal station at the Butt of Lewis but the DF seems to have been a short distance away.

There are a couple of DF sites just North of Sumburgh, they appear to have both been RAF but one could have been RN.

mbriscoe
08-07-2012, 19:34
Has anyone got any plans of "standard" RAF WT sites. I am going over some sites on the new set of post-war images released by RCAHMS.

There is a radio station at Noss Head near Wick which seemed to fit with there being a DF station there but on the new images I can see a DF site just West of there so wondering if the larger one was WT, DF or intercept. It also seems to have continued post-war because the buildings on site now are not in the same place as the ones in 1946.

mbriscoe
11-07-2012, 09:42
I wonder if there is anyone around Ayrshire?

I am fairly sure I have found the Kilwinning RN DF site, there is no trace of the site now except a roadside building (seen on Google Streetview). Just wondering if someone could get a closer look and perhaps ask at local farms.

BTW, at one DF site I found some calibration point markers (http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/285843/contribution/windyheads+hill+gee+station+vhf+and+df+building/)and these have also been seen elsewhere. Something to watch out for as I did not realise what they were were when I saw them.

Also, when I was looking for the Oban RN DF station I got a clue from it being in the telephone directory though just as a RN WT station or something similar but it did confirm the village. One of the sets of telephone directories late in WWII has most RAF radar stations listed, there can be some quite useful clues to various military sites.

Stan Ames
11-07-2012, 17:33
Martin
Thanks for the marker photo never seen one set on a plinth before.
There were a pile of calibration markers alongside one of the Goonhavern DF stations a few years ago but they may have been moved by now as the site was being developed as a caravan park.9415. These markers were set in the ground on concrete bases. The calibration oscillator would have been placed on each of the 36 markers set in a circle around the station and readings taken to produce a calibration chart. A photo taken of the calibration in progress at an RSS HF DF station in WW2 shown is below. 9416

Stan

mbriscoe
11-07-2012, 17:55
I think it was you who told me what it was! Just thought I would mention here as others could have seen them and not realised the significance, perhaps thought the military mind liked to give bird tables serial numbers. :-D

outkast
28-09-2012, 19:51
see here for what is still left of arkeley Y site

http://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/showthread.php?t=21107

mbriscoe
14-05-2013, 23:55
The RN DF station at Sheigra (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/sets/72157633481562107/).

I also found Magask, pictures tomorrow hopefully.

mbriscoe
15-05-2013, 00:56
Pictures of Magask (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/sets/72157633481946295/)

mbriscoe
29-05-2013, 10:20
The RN DF station at Sheigra (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/sets/72157633481562107/).

Sheigra is now on Canmore, I was trying to remember where I had seen a reference to a PO station there and found it was me that had originally found the reference in RAF Signals 1939-1945

GPO Transmitters

At the outbreak of war, the following GPO medium or long wave WT transmissions were put under the control of Fighter Command –

Leafield, Rugby, Portishead, Cullercoats, Humber, Lands End. Niton, North Foreland, Portpatrick, Caernarvon, Ongar, Parkeston Quay, Stonehaven, Seaforth, Wick, Sheigra, Callon Head, Tiree, Sanday and North Ronaldsway.

This was a way of closing them down rather than taking over the transmitters.

mbriscoe
29-05-2013, 22:20
The RN DF station at Sheigra (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/sets/72157633481562107/).

I also found Magask, pictures tomorrow hopefully.

This article was pointed out to me

Published: 18/12/2008 00:00 - Updated: 29/11/2011 16:45

25 Years Ago (http://www.northern-times.co.uk/Features/From-Our-Old-Files/25-Years-Ago-5255.htm)

Blairmore is same area as Sheigra.

I wonder if locals had heard comments about the DF station tracking or locating ships, U-Boats or aircraft and presuming that it was radar?


MB

PETERTHEEATER
12-06-2013, 10:04
I'm not sure if this link has been posted before.

Lyme Regis 'Y' Station:

http://www.monktonwyldcourt.co.uk/About_the_Court/page54/assets/DHallMedHutHistory%20copy.pdf

fixit
14-07-2013, 20:19
Ive been researching the HFDF station a mile or so from ibsley ww2 airfield in the new forest. Very little is left now.
This one doesn't seem to appear in any lists so I'm not sure which organisation operated here- its very isolated.

According to the national mapping this station also had a long dipole aerial on posts(about 1km in length) aligned to intercept from Germany.
Anyone else come across this configuration? The shape is something like a Y from above but with another central arm .

Thanks to anyone responding.

fixit

Stan Ames
09-10-2013, 17:43
Hi Fixit

Your station and its aerials sound interesting. HFDF stations had four 10m vertical aerials closely spaced around a small operator hut, but the other aerial you describe could be a rhombic aerial which was used widely in interception. The rhombic aerials were highly directional and took the form of a diamond shape and could be quite large depending on the frequency. The 1km long aerial may have been a "Beverage" antenna, this too was directional and could have been for interception. I have lists of Intelligence gathering stations from National Archives but I don't recognise the location. Are there any other local towns or village names it might have been recorded under? Alternatively, it may not be on any of the WW2 intelligence lists because many airfields had HF and MF DF stations purely for navigational purposes.

Regards

Stan

outkast
12-10-2013, 10:09
Was there a y station in kenley?

HF Dave
13-10-2013, 17:11
I have just looked up Fayreness and the address was :- Fayreness Hotel,Kingsgate, Nr Broadstairs. the lat long was 51deg 5 1/4 min North, 1deg 24 min East. not very accurate bit it will give a general area. The hotel was probably where the crew were billeted.

Stan

Fayreness Hotel earlier this year:

14256

The central portion (including the tower) is original, the wings being later additions.

As one might expect, there was a lot of activity in this area during WWII. Just outside the hotel on the greensward there was a whole cluster of features - including a circular gun pit, an rectangular earthwork, a square structure and an L-shaped trench. Perhaps these are associated with the listening station, although the central tower of the hotel wouldn't have made a bad place for a small aerial.

There was also a petroleum warfare site on the beach below, and Neptune's Tower (an 18th century folly built by Lord Holland) to the east was used as some kind of look-out. And the tunnels in the chalk cliffs may have been defended.

RAF Foreness was just a short distance to the NW.

HF Dave
13-10-2013, 17:23
A couple of WWII vintage photos relating to the Fayreness Y-station:

http://www.australiansatwar.gov.au/stories/stories_war=W2_id=62.html

What's that on top of the cliffs? Simply fencing, or aerials?

mbriscoe
15-10-2013, 13:02
A couple of WWII vintage photos relating to the Fayreness Y-station:

http://www.australiansatwar.gov.au/stories/stories_war=W2_id=62.html

What's that on top of the cliffs? Simply fencing, or aerials?

I get the impression that the cliffs are not very high and you can see what is possibly rolls of barbed wire supported by the poles when opened up.

HF Dave
23-10-2013, 20:12
I get the impression that the cliffs are not very high and you can see what is possibly rolls of barbed wire supported by the poles when opened up.

Yes, I suspect they are anti-invasion works as you say. Wishful thinking on my part...

Tracyann
07-11-2013, 14:18
I am at the very beginning of a project looking at the history of the coast around Felixstowe Suffolk. It has been suggested that one of the Martello towers was used as a WW2 intercept station. Online lists of Y Stations do seem to include Felixstowe but with any other detail. Any advice on which archives to check or where to get further information would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
Tracy

Carnaby
07-11-2013, 19:21
I am at the very beginning of a project looking at the history of the coast around Felixstowe Suffolk. It has been suggested that one of the Martello towers was used as a WW2 intercept station. Online lists of Y Stations do seem to include Felixstowe but with any other detail. Any advice on which archives to check or where to get further information would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
Tracy
'Felixstowe' was a Royal Navy VHF Intercept station in Eastern Command. 51 57'N. 01 24'E. (Cassini GR is M755524 which translates to NGR TM306344), which puts it around HERE (http://wtp2recorder.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.961169238424645&lon=1.3554221391677856&gz=18&oz=10&gt=1).

Postal address: Room 38, Cliff Hotel, Hamilton Terrace, Felixstowe. LINK (http://www.suffolkcamra.co.uk/pubs/pub/2675)

There was a later addition - a D/F tower '150 yards from station' at M768537 (TM319357). HERE (http://wtp2recorder.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.971514352272926&lon=1.3753026723861694&gz=18&oz=9&gt=1).

These two locations are a bit south of the two Martello Towers.

Very interesting.

Source: TNA HW41-101 (List of Y stations)

Richard Austen
08-11-2013, 19:38
I'm trying to locate the site of the RAF Y station at Acton.

Anyone have any idea?

Greendoor
23-11-2013, 19:12
RAF Acton ping-pong station, ground-based plotting system for triangulating German radar site positions, allowing them to be attacked and disabled immediately prior to Overlord. Reported to be working in conjunction with Ventnor and Beachy Head

Purbeck Radar web site http://www.purbeckradar.org.uk/stations/index.htm lists a "ping-pong" station at Acton. Acton is very near to Worth Matravers.

Follow the thread on AIX site to Non Airfield sites > RDF / Radar Sites > Ping Pong

from behind the Greendoor

Greendoor
28-11-2013, 22:58
When West Kingsdown was bombed circa 20 July 1944, the story is that the Y unit moved to RAF Canterbury. Presumably this means that No 63 Wireless Intelligence Unit relocated. That must have been a relocation of some magnitude, just the lift the dozens of sets, their aerials, their power, the staff accommodation, the security wire?, etc. The staff? How did Kent Post Office cope with the communications demand. And Kent was quite a busy place about the time of Ops NEPTUNE and OVERLORD, etc to say nothing about worrying about V-1s.
A search of the web for RAF Canterbury is not very fruitful - indeed one wonders if this was yet another example of 'economy with the truth' so typical of RAF Y-service site names.
Has anyone got any help with the real story, please?

from the behind the Greendoor

Edited by Greendoor at 22:40 on 29 Nov 13 to correct bomb damaged Y-site and date, see link: <http://www.bletchleyparkresearch.co.uk/research-notes/raf-west-kingsdown-y-station/>.
The location in "Canterbury" has not yet been identified.

mbriscoe
28-11-2013, 23:43
I don't know if any relevance by RAF Signals has mention of 'the control station at Canterbury' which was connected by landline to receiver-monitor sub-control stations A nd B at St Margaret's Bay. This was in connection with Big Ben but shows there was a presence in that area. Also says there was receiving equipment at Canterbury.

'A further receiver station and main control for the network was to be set up at Kent College Canterbury.

This all seems to be associated with RCM but shows there was a presence in that area.

Greendoor
29-11-2013, 23:53
I don't know if any relevance by RAF Signals has mention of 'the control station at Canterbury' which was connected by landline to receiver-monitor sub-control stations A nd B at St Margaret's Bay. This was in connection with Big Ben but shows there was a presence in that area. Also says there was receiving equipment at Canterbury.

'A further receiver station and main control for the network was to be set up at Kent College Canterbury.

This all seems to be associated with RCM but shows there was a presence in that area.

Hallo mbriscoe
BIG BEN was the code name used by the British for the German V-2 ICBM. There was an attempt to develop a countermeasure against the V-2 guidance signals - presumably some form of narrow navigation beam. I understand that the results of the RCM trials were not satisfactory and were abandoned. I shall investigate Kent College further.
from behind the Greendoor

mbriscoe
30-11-2013, 00:18
Hallo mbriscoe
BIG BEN was the code name used by the British for the German V-2 ICBM. There was an attempt to develop a countermeasure against the V-2 guidance signals - presumably some form of narrow navigation beam. I understand that the results of the RCM trials were not satisfactory and were abandoned. I shall investigate Kent College further.
from behind the Greendoor

BIG BEN was a particular operation where certain Chain Home stations watched out for V2 launches and started a film camera which recorded the track. The operator also shouted 'BIG BEN' to alert everyone. The film was rushed to wherever they analysed it.

Initially this was done because it was though the rockets were radio guided - trials monitored in Poland had transmitters for tracking. A high powered VHF transmitter was quickly built at Crowborough using parts flown over from the USA. It was planned to jam the signals with this but of course there was nothing to jam. The BIG BEN call at the Chain Home site would have been used to alert Crowborough to begin jamming.

I think they then worked out the position of the launch sites from the film, so these could be bombed but that was not very effective because the launchers were moved around.

Greendoor
01-12-2013, 23:47
Thanks, mbriscoe, for the V-2 BIG BEN update.

I still trying to identify if/whether Kent College Canterbury had anything to do with the BIG BEN activity. The way you describe it, probably not but we'll see. What has come to light is that there was an RAF Canterbury from mid-1944 until possibly the end of the war. TNA archives remove all doubt about the Canterbury site's role in the Y-service, yet no other researcher seems to have picked it up It would have been typical of the 'system' that a cock-and-bull misleading leak would have been about to protect the real goings-on after West Kingsdown Y station took a V-1 for lunch.

I'll post anything related that I unearth.

from behind the Greendoor

PETERTHEEATER
03-12-2013, 08:10
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205196707

Greendoor
04-12-2013, 18:08
6811th Signal Security detachment Bexley Heath, Kent.

Elsewhere I have had to apologize for confusing Bromley GEE site disused aerial field with what has turned out to be the American Army sigint static 'field' site at Bexley Heath, Kent. Interesting that this site does not feature in most of the accepted Y-site lists even though it was quite substantial. Now, however, the historical fact of the unit's existence is in the public domain.
There was certainly an American Y-site called 6811th Signal Security detachment operating from early 1944 thro' to war's end from an Elizabethan manor house called Hall Place, Bexley Heath, Kent. It was feeding raw intercept back to Bletchley Park for processing. See the link:

< www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20070923/NEWS01/70921012/‎ >

By May 45, there were about 500 Americans doing sigint in UK
Sorry for duff-gen, I've posted a correction on the Bromley thread.

from behind the Greendoor

doug
06-02-2014, 21:36
Fayrenees Kingsgate is right alongside the Radar station that was RAF Foreness which was in use from 1939 until the late 1950s. This was a busy area during ww2. with signal statins at North Foreland and st.stephens college [ a signals squadron moved from Keston near Biggin Hill.] Have not come across a y station at Kingsgate, but we are checking some maps that the works and bricks guys found when they were tidying up. [ one shows a listening post , entrance road, hut, aerial ww2 vintage nothing else] over to you on that one.

Cornishpete
10-02-2014, 03:29
Have looked through the Y lists and perhaps am missing it but somewhere in the very back of my mind i seem to remember having once seen mention in a book or article that there was a WW2 intercept station in Radlett, Hertfordshire? Or was this a later Cold War station?

Carnaby
10-02-2014, 13:09
Have looked through the Y lists and perhaps am missing it but somewhere in the very back of my mind i seem to remember having once seen mention in a book or article that there was a WW2 intercept station in Radlett, Hertfordshire? Or was this a later Cold War station?

I now have a better source than the one obtained from Bletchley (which was stated to be incomplete). From TNA HW41/101, List of Y Stations (WWII) there is no mention of Radlett. The nearest two were the Foreign Office station at Sandridge, St Albans and the Army site at Harpenden. Both were intercept stations in Eastern Command.

PNK
10-02-2014, 18:58
Caught a snippet of a programme on TV today that said the "Y" stations came about because the number of aerials sprouting at Bletchley Park would be a clue as to its true purpose so the listeners were spread out.

Cornishpete
11-02-2014, 23:03
I now have a better source than the one obtained from Bletchley (which was stated to be incomplete). From TNA HW41/101, List of Y Stations (WWII) there is no mention of Radlett. The nearest two were the Foreign Office station at Sandridge, St Albans and the Army site at Harpenden. Both were intercept stations in Eastern Command.

I dug deeper and came across this at http://goldbeach.org.uk/Y%20service/SWS1.htm
"Special Wireless Section (SWS) Voluntary Intercept service formed at Radlett.
It was formed at Radlett, England for the jamming of the enemy's wireless and radar transmissions. This was an ATS unit
Would still be interested to know where exactly.

mbriscoe
11-02-2014, 23:34
I dug deeper and came across this at http://goldbeach.org.uk/Y%20service/SWS1.htm
"Special Wireless Section (SWS) Voluntary Intercept service formed at Radlett.
It was formed at Radlett, England for the jamming of the enemy's wireless and radar transmissions. This was an ATS unit
Would still be interested to know where exactly.

The RAF No. 80 (Signals) Wing was based in Radlett, they were responsible for the various countermeasures - 'Beam Bending'.

I would recommend getting hold of a copy of


Royal Air Force Beam Benders: 80 (Signals) Wing 1940-1945 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1857800400?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creativeASIN=1857800400&linkCode=xm2&tag=g8eprpyemuseu-21)
Laurie Brettingham

It is many years since I read my copy but it has quite a bit about the various buildings they used in Radlett including a map of the village.

They started at 'Radium', the alternative Fighter Command Administrative Headquarters at Garston but moved to Aldenham Lodge, Radlett. The Operations Room and workshop moved to Newberries. They took reports from Watcher stations, intelligence and Y Service and gave out instructions to jamming at outstations and Starfish decoy and fire sites (with one or two exceptions) and air arm, the Wireless Intelligence and Development Unit (later known as 109 Squadron).

Cornishpete
12-02-2014, 03:17
Thank you so much, I appreciate your help and have placed an order for a used copy through Amazon.

Cornishpete
02-04-2014, 21:21
I purchased the book "Royal Airforce Beam Benders and can thoroughly recommend it. It is a 192 pages of fascinating details of how No 80 (Signals) Wing operated in creating methods of "bending" the WW2 German navigation beams such as the Knickebein and X-Gerat which directed their bombers to English cities. There are plenty of personal anecdotes from that time and original photos and sketches.
My interest came about because fifty years ago I had a girlfriend who lived at Bricketwood between Radlett and St Albans and even back then had a keen interest in things RAF but had no idea of the significance of these places mentioned throughout this book.
Although I have now lived in the USA for 22yrs it was so easy to obtain it through Amazon. For those interested the book ref is: ISBN 1857800400 Author Laurie Brettingham

Thankyou to member mbriscoe for telling me about this book.