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P Bellamy
10-10-2010, 19:58
Tuddenham House, Cavenham.
Originally built to accommodate the C.O. of No.107 Strategic Missile Squadron at the Thor site at Tuddenham:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k227/ramc181/THC0.jpg

Now in private hands, it looks like someone's been doing some "improvements" in this StreetView grab:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k227/ramc181/THC1.jpg

Does anyone know the location of the others?
I'm wondering if "Albermarle" in Harrington village is the C.O.'s house there.

(EDIT: Title amended for clarity. ;))

TTFN,
PB

buccaneer66
10-10-2010, 20:15
Co's house Desborough.

http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.457549025821905&lon=-0.8188462257385254&gz=19&oz=8&gt=1

Paul Francis
10-10-2010, 20:41
chris is that the CO's house for 'Desborough Thor site' ?

buccaneer66
10-10-2010, 23:34
No I didn't notice this was in the thor section remove post if need be Paul.

P Bellamy
11-10-2010, 00:33
Post title amended for clarity, once I'd found where the thread had gone. ;)

Paul Francis
11-10-2010, 00:41
In your defence chris, its an easy mistake to make, when clicking on whats new. I do it all the time!

P Bellamy
11-10-2010, 00:52
This appears to be the one for Melton Mowbray, identical dimensions but a mirror-image of the Tuddenham one:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k227/ramc181/TCOMM.jpg

Streetview link HERE (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Great+Dalby,+Melton+Mowbray,+Leicestershire+LE14 +2,+United+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=19.458573,47.680664&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FZJ2JAMd4zny_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=Great+Dalby,+Melton+Mowbray,+Leicestershire, +United+Kingdom&t=h&layer=c&cbll=52.741317,-0.891812&panoid=Kb59v-bHN5azxeSW0EuyHA&cbp=12,298.64,,0,5.75&ll=52.741202,-0.89589&spn=0.004852,0.015728&z=17)

All the best,
PB

P Bellamy
11-10-2010, 01:28
"Mepal House", Ely Road, Sutton:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k227/ramc181/TCOMep.jpg

Same design once again.

Streetview link HERE (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mepal&sll=52.414619,-0.861295&sspn=0.000614,0.001455&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mepal,+Ely,+Cambridgeshire,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.391002,0.127244&spn=0.004891,0.015728&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=52.391719,0.13006&panoid=D1RQavIxsqwylhdzt56yrQ&cbp=12,4.39,,0,2.42)

I can see me getting NO sleep tonight, Thor CO's Quarters are the new Bombing Ranges. ;)

All the best,
PB

P Bellamy
11-10-2010, 01:57
Breighton's would appear to be HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.802310933684176&lon=-0.9229749441146851&gz=19&oz=8&gt=1), annoyingly there's a gap in Streetview outside.

canberra
11-10-2010, 08:06
A place such as Mepal was a wartime station or though it later did become a Thor unit. But would a COs house have been built????

P Bellamy
12-10-2010, 00:05
By the late 1950s when the Thor sites were established the majority of the dispersed locations were on airfields which would have been largely devoid of suitable up-to-date accommodation.

Here's part of an account by Sqn Ldr Colin Burch, Officer Commanding 218(M) Squadron RAF Harrington 1959 - 1963. The second paragraph is most pertinent in this instance:



I commuted daily between North Luffenham and Harrington in a small bus in which I carried about 15 or so service personnel, a distance of around 30 miles. During the early days we would stop en-route in either Desborough or Rothwell and purchase food for a mid-day meal as the catering arrangements had not been properly established, although married personnel were expected to make their own arrangements for feeding. However, we were soon provided with a fully equipped kitchen and a cook so we managed quite well. A number of the married officers and airmen soon found themselves private accommodation in the Kettering area and thus made their own way to and from the site. At this time the site was left in charge of the RAF Police and dog handlers who were transported daily from and back to North Luffenham.

One of my first administrative tasks was to find a suitable plot of land which the Air Ministry could purchase and on which they could build a house for the Squadron Commander, it being belatedly believed that he should be within easy reach of the Squadron at all times. This became a time consuming exercise that was eventually left to Air Ministry Public Buildings and Works Department to pursue and subsequently build a house in Harrington village.
By the time it was built however, my 'tour' as OC No 218 Squadron was completed and I was appointed Training Officer for the whole North Luffenham Complex, and therefore never occupied this Officer's Married Quarters. My successor, Squadron Leader Slaughter, was an "unaccompanied" officer and did not occupy the OMQ either so it was assigned to one of my launch control officers.

I had a quick run out to Harrington this afternoon, but was unable to find a house to the same design as those upthread. However, there are a couple of "possibles" in the village that warrant further investigation.

All the best,
PB

canberra
12-10-2010, 08:13
And I thought MOD wasting money was a new thing!! Im suprised they didnt just rent houses locally. Is it me or do those ones in the pictures look like the old rural police houses/stations?

Able Mabel
12-10-2010, 09:02
Them first two houses cant be the same surely ??
Must have spent an aweful lot of money to try and disguise its origins ...

John Cooper
12-10-2010, 09:14
AOC-in-C's house 11 group Martlesham Heath situated in Portal Avenue, now used by Suffolk Police HQ

http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/41445/2584055090035970728S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2584055090035970728xcruFh)

canberra
12-10-2010, 18:19
Ah being pedantic thats not a COs (IE Commanding Officers) house. That is an AOCs (Air Officer Commandings) residence.

P Bellamy
12-10-2010, 20:47
No Streetview coverage, but from maps and scaleable air photo's the northern of these two OMQs would appear to be the CO's Quarters for the Carnaby Thor Site:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k227/ramc181/ThorCarnabyOMQs.jpg

http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=54.05716647176675&lon=-0.2401784062385559&gz=19&oz=8&gt=1

All the best,
PB

P Bellamy
12-10-2010, 21:20
What appears to be the Bardney Thor CO's Quarters is handily located on Queen Street:

http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.211471748843316&lon=-0.3236272931098938&gz=19&oz=8&gt=1

All the best,
PB

P Bellamy
12-10-2010, 21:35
Ludford Magna's Thor CO's Quarters is now named "Roth House", built in front of the wartime Admin Site:

http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.37965820802826&lon=-0.20477324724197388&gz=19&oz=8&gt=1

All the best,
PB

Carnaby
12-10-2010, 21:43
95 MU Lord's Bridge c.1990
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o102/grahamcrisp/95MU.jpg

Tried to look at this on Google Street. There is a big gap which I'm sure wasn't there a few weeks ago.

Graham

P Bellamy
13-10-2010, 00:35
Getting back to the original thread subject of Thor Station CO's Houses, here's the current progress list:

Driffield Wing dispersed stations
Breighton: Located
Carnaby: Located
Catfoss: Not yet identified
Full Sutton: Not yet identified

Feltwell Wing dispersed stations
Mepal: Located
North Pickenham: Not yet identified
Shepherd's Grove: Not yet identified
Tuddenham: Located

Hemswell Wing dispersed stations
Bardney: Located
Caistor: Not yet identified
Coleby Grange: Not yet identified
Ludford Magna: Located

North Luffenham Wing dispersed stations
Folkingham: Not yet identified
Harrington: Not yet identified
Melton Mowbray: Located
Polebrook: Not yet identified

A potential nine still remain to be identified, assuming one was actually built for each dispersed Thor station.
All those currently found are to the same design, albeit with the one for Tuddenham being a mirror-image of the others.

All the best,
PB

Hawkeye001
13-10-2010, 07:27
The one for Caistor has been demolished and has been for about 5 yrs.

Coleby Grange i havent seen one for that as i was up there a couple of weeks ago.

canberra
13-10-2010, 08:09
As the crow flies North Pickenham is 5 miles from Marham, wouldnt he have lived there? And as I said before Im amazed that they had quarters at the Thor bases, I believe that the system was an interim one and was only designed to be in service for 5 years.

kebecker
13-10-2010, 17:09
Coleby grange is a stones throw from both Waddington and Digby, so it would make sense to use accomodation there. North Pickenham is aslo relatively close to Watton, so thats another possibility.

Spent ages on GE last night looking at villages close to Polebrooke and Folkingham, just ended up with bags undder my eyes!

Hawkeye may have a point with existing houses being demolished and new build going up on the land.

Carnaby
13-10-2010, 23:28
I'm confused (happens a lot these days!) It appears that at some point this thread was specific to Thor, then the title was amended so it wasn't. One post suggests it was in the 'Thor section', now it isn't. But it is generally exclusive to Thor, despite my post and one or two others.

Not a criticism - just a bit of clarity needed.:D

Graham

P Bellamy
14-10-2010, 02:24
No need for confusion Graham... ;)

I originally started the thread in the Thor section, so omitted a specific Thor Station header.
(Yes, I know better now, what with people replying after using the Read New Posts facility...)
It was then moved to the General Airfield Discussion section for some reason, so to clarify I amended the header for subsequent posts.
Unfortunately that didn't alter the overall header, hence the potential muddle.

It's all part of my larger Thor information project, I'll be putting up some related bits and bobs over the next week or two with any luck.

All the best,
PB

Carnaby
14-10-2010, 17:43
Thanks Paul - makes sense now. Have amended the title.

Graham

Thor43
30-12-2010, 18:59
The subject of the OC's houses is an interesting one. When English Heritage surveyed all the Thor sites they also tried to locate the OC's houses but did not find them all. Essentially the design was the standard RAF MQ suitable for a squadron leader either left handed or right handed. As far as the ones mentioned in the thread are concerned, Tuddenham (much changed!), Melton Mowbray, Breighton and Mepal are all correct. Bardney is shown in one of the photos in my book 'Project Emily: Thor IRBM and the RAF'. Carnaby is correct, it is the southern of the two houses, the other one was used by USAF Thor personnel. I have identified North Pickenham (possibly the most difficult to find as it is a wartime 'prefab' used by the USAAF CO), Polebrook, Folkingham and Harrington - I shall give OS grids when I have worked them out. Shepherds Grove is somewhere in the 'tobacco houses', but I have not found it. Despite my efforts I have not identified the others. Coleby Grange OC was most likely accommodated at Waddington. It may be that some were not in fact built? So any help in this respect would be most useful. Hawkeye001, can you identify where the Caistor house was?
Wish I had chanced upon this thread earlier!
JB

P Bellamy
31-07-2011, 21:19
Time for a progress update, WTP links included where possible:

Driffield Wing dispersed stations
Breighton: Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.80232360600662&lon=-0.9229776263237&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Carnaby: Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=54.057056263826155&lon=-0.24026423692703247&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Catfoss: Possibly HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.910568355908275&lon=-0.3027087450027466&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1), comments welcomed
Full Sutton: Not yet identified

Feltwell Wing dispersed stations
Mepal: "Mepal House" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.39194273230546&lon=0.13007640838623047&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
North Pickenham: HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.61962431328598&lon=0.7384684681892395&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Shepherd's Grove: "Grove View" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.31588556446659&lon=0.9054520726203918&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Tuddenham: "Tuddenham House" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.303397831238755&lon=0.5795502662658691&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)

Hemswell Wing dispersed stations
Bardney: Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.21146853629032&lon=-0.323621928691864&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Caistor: Demolished, location not yet identified
Coleby Grange: Not yet identified
Ludford Magna: "Roth House" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.379661407956384&lon=-0.20478397607803345&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)

North Luffenham Wing dispersed stations
Folkingham: Not yet identified
Harrington: Not yet identified
Melton Mowbray: "Wendover" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.741415187618145&lon=-0.8921657502651215&gz=20&oz=10&gt=1)
Polebrook: Not yet identified

All the best,
PB

Richard Flagg
01-08-2011, 00:20
PB, I am not sure about the location of the North Pickenham house, the area located in the WTP link is where the ops block is, as far as I am aware there is no house there, could it have been demolished?

P Bellamy
01-08-2011, 01:25
It's not the same as the others, but a prefab (see post 27).

Paul Francis
01-08-2011, 08:26
We have in the archives an excellent collection (around 70) drawings of MQs, ranging from the early 1920s, to late 1980s USAF types, including I am certain, the house in post#1.

Thor43
01-08-2011, 10:41
CO's/OC's houses

Coleby Grange. There seems to be no local knowledge or memories of a specific house. This strengthens the argument that he was housed at RAF Waddington?

As regards the others: locations confirmed with the current owners.

Folkingham: TF 07216 33447
Harrington: SP 77372 79817 'Fir Trees'
Polebrook: can't find my notes on this one at the moment but it is in the middle of Polebrook village on the right had side heading towards the airfield. From memory called 'The Vintners House'. I spoke to the current owner when I visited but please note she is sensitive to photos being taken.

P Bellamy
01-08-2011, 14:05
Ta very much.

Interestingly, while the houses at Folkingham and Harrington (named "Albermarle" by 1971) are the same design, they are different to the others...

PB

Thor43
01-08-2011, 21:16
Also, and I accept that this is a really pedantic point, the Sqn Ldrs were OCs not COs - checked with the Air Historical Branch.

Dale
01-08-2011, 21:32
Yep you got that right John, Officer Commanding usually went up to wing level ie OC 57 Sqn, OC Eng Wing etc. and Commanding Officer Station level and above irrespective of rank ie Joe Bloggs Commanding Officer RAF Station Sleepy Hollow!! Well that's my 26 years worth and I'm sticking with it........anyone want a fight:)

P Bellamy
01-08-2011, 21:34
Quite right, I must be getting too used to US terminology.

Thor43
01-08-2011, 21:41
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx178/DACThor/COsHouseHarrington.jpg

This is Harrington

Dale
01-08-2011, 21:57
Before I even got involved with Thor that house had always struck a familiar 'quarters' cord with the good lady wife and I, after all we spent enough years in them!!!!

Richard Flagg
28-09-2011, 20:32
North Pickenham's CO's house

Photos taken today 28 Sept 2011

http://www.ukairfields.org.uk/uploads/7/0/8/5/7085670/128798_orig.jpg

http://www.ukairfields.org.uk/uploads/7/0/8/5/7085670/7371061_orig.jpg

http://www.ukairfields.org.uk/uploads/7/0/8/5/7085670/4843548_orig.jpg

P Bellamy
28-09-2011, 22:21
Ta Richard.

Current list:

Driffield Wing dispersed stations
Breighton: Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.80232360600662&lon=-0.9229776263237&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Carnaby: Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=54.057056263826155&lon=-0.24026423692703247&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Catfoss: Possibly HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.910568355908275&lon=-0.3027087450027466&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1), comments welcomed
Full Sutton: Not yet identified

Feltwell Wing dispersed stations
Mepal: "Mepal House" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.39194273230546&lon=0.13007640838623047&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
North Pickenham: HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.61962431328598&lon=0.7384684681892395&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Shepherd's Grove: "Grove View" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.31588556446659&lon=0.9054520726203918&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Tuddenham: "Tuddenham House" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.303397831238755&lon=0.5795502662658691&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)

Hemswell Wing dispersed stations
Bardney: Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.21146853629032&lon=-0.323621928691864&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)
Caistor: Demolished, location not yet identified
Coleby Grange: Not yet identified
Ludford Magna: "Roth House" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=53.379661407956384&lon=-0.20478397607803345&gz=19&oz=10&gt=1)

North Luffenham Wing dispersed stations
Folkingham: Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.887646456711444&lon=-0.408017635345459&gz=19&oz=4&gt=1)
Harrington: "Fir Trees", formerly "Albermarle" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.410794233583836&lon=-0.8640481531620026&gz=20&oz=4&gt=1)
Melton Mowbray: "Wendover" Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.741415187618145&lon=-0.8921657502651215&gz=20&oz=10&gt=1)
Polebrook: "Vinters House", formerly "Dubden" (Extension built on W end) Located HERE (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=52.47154054836676&lon=-0.4239124059677124&gz=20&oz=3&gt=1)

Of the four N Luffenham Wing sites, only Melton Mowbray is to the "usual" design, the other three are all to the same different design.

All the best,
PB

YellowPinkie
03-10-2011, 00:07
North Pickenham's CO's house

Photos taken today 28 Sept 2011...

Goodness gracious, imagine the look on your wife's face on the day you moved her in there...

Paul Francis
03-10-2011, 07:49
But its a UNi-Seco hut she would be really happy!

Jerry
03-10-2011, 09:40
North Pickenham's CO's house

Photos taken today 28 Sept 2011

http://www.ukairfields.org.uk/uploads/7/0/8/5/7085670/7371061_orig.jpg

More to the point, is that someone posing for you, LHS there appears to be a leg?

canberra
03-10-2011, 20:31
As you can almost spit from North Pickenham to Marham I would honestly have thought the CO would have lived there.

And Ill do a Lloyd Grossman impression "would you want to live a tip like that?" Yes I know members of the armed forces have to make sacrifices, but that is a hovel now and it was probably a hovel in the early sixties!