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painter
25-07-2011, 13:59
Good afternoon all,i must say as an ex RAF Painter and Finisher i've yet to see any pictures of any station paint shops...doe's anyone have any please?

PNK
25-07-2011, 14:19
Welcome to the forum. Sounds as though you should start a new thread on paint shops. I'm sure there must be some photos out there.

smiler16
25-07-2011, 20:44
there is this one from the marham thread

http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?1858-RAF-Marham/page9&highlight=marham

ted angus
25-07-2011, 21:23
took me 10 years of fighting to get the funding for this beauty, left hand bay is the aircraft bay. All Superheated (by gas they had to lay a new main into the tech site for it) it dramatically reduced drying and curing times. Especially important with ac , as it could reduce full repaint by up to 3 days. Next two bays run the full depth of building with identical doors at the other side. each bay will take a tanker with a lot of room to spare or can be divided into 3 fully self contained bays to take a landie or piece of GSE, or other combinations i.e a 4 tonner and an item of GSE , note one set highter than the other . at the right hand side is a DMS booth large enough for a 4 tonner size truck or item of GSE.
also in the building is a large PMS booth for ac components. And in 22 months it will be finished unless Serco can keep hold and bring in outside work. I had a great bunch of painters until some halfwit in Eng HQ moved them to the aircraft servicing sqn -- the trouble then was everyone who had used a can of emulsion paint thought he was a paint expert !!!
TED

Ossington_2008
25-07-2011, 22:41
Syerston, Apr 2010

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo322/Ossington_2008/IMG_0816.jpg

PETERTHEEATER
26-07-2011, 05:42
The life expectancy of wartime aircraft was so short repaints were not usually required and touch-ups and 'specials' would have been done at dispersal or under ad hoc arrangements in a hangar. I don't know of any purpose built 'paint shops'

But, modern high speed aircraft with high life expectancy in peacetime require constant Corrosion Control and paint touch-up and even full resprays. As any trained Painter and Doper (WW2!) or Safety & Surface specialist will tell you, application of quality finish coats requires quality undercoats properly cured. Modern 'paint systems' (I hate that expression!) are usually two part and require proper mixing and thinning and application under controlled environmental conditions that means a purpose built air conditioned 'barn' large enough to take the aircraft. Modern health and safety requirements complicate the use of chemical strippers and so the introduction of alternative paint stripping forces a proper facility.

Ted, you were fortunate to get such a great shop for vehicles. The one I managed suffered from inadequate often broken air conditioning and quality painting was near impossible.

I think now, due to high costs of facilities, the RAF sends aircraft into Europe under civil contract?

canberra
26-07-2011, 17:46
And when you got that paint bay Ted did you not think that Leuchars might end up getting closed? Come on Leuchars had so little investment that you and I should have twigged that as soon they started spending money theyd close the place!

ted angus
26-07-2011, 20:02
Hey CANBERRA you been telling the world Leuchars will never close due to the Golf !!!!!!!!!! The reason Leuchars never got investment was too many people were spineless and not willing to fight for the proper facilities to get the job done or to provide decent accomadation.

Peter the bigest problem was telling was convincing the commisioned individuals that having once held an emulsion roller doesn't make you more knowledgeable than either the painters or in fact the manufacturers. , etch prime, under coat then top coats. each requires close tolerance temp & humidity to dry 7 cure. most finish coats are 3 part now. Only one item needs to be out of spec and an aircraft can shed whole sheets of paint in flight. If a jet was late out of TASF they expected the paintewrs to make up the time- afraid not possible. Black Mike the display Phantom got totally repainted 3 in 4 weeks august sept 1990 as they flew it to an airshow before it cured, it then had to be done again for the next weekend for a BoB then again for ours . The cost in paint without manhours was collossal The good old painters got the blame of course OK must get off my hobby horse

TED

Brothmark
27-07-2011, 00:20
Here one used to paint C-5s...
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=32.630932&lon=-83.601613&z=16.9&r=0&src=msl

PETERTHEEATER
27-07-2011, 10:06
Been there, done that Ted,

My fleet used to lose all the leading edge paint down to primer due to rush jobs!


Hey CANBERRA you been telling the world Leuchars will never close due to the Golf !!!!!!!!!! The reason Leuchars never got investment was too many people were spineless and not willing to fight for the proper facilities to get the job done or to provide decent accomadation.

Peter the bigest problem was telling was convincing the commisioned individuals that having once held an emulsion roller doesn't make you more knowledgeable than either the painters or in fact the manufacturers. , etch prime, under coat then top coats. each requires close tolerance temp & humidity to dry 7 cure. most finish coats are 3 part now. Only one item needs to be out of spec and an aircraft can shed whole sheets of paint in flight. If a jet was late out of TASF they expected the paintewrs to make up the time- afraid not possible. Black Mike the display Phantom got totally repainted 3 in 4 weeks august sept 1990 as they flew it to an airshow before it cured, it then had to be done again for the next weekend for a BoB then again for ours . The cost in paint without manhours was collossal The good old painters got the blame of course OK must get off my hobby horse

TED

painter
27-07-2011, 23:58
Thank you PNK for the welcome.As some of you maybe aware "paint shops" used to be in one,or maybe two locations on the station.On a non flying unit they where located within MTMS,but came under GEF,secondly on a flying unit it was the same location again...9 times out of 10,these were used to carry out all vehicle and GSE painting,along with items from the "chippys" shop,GEF and any other section or squadron on the station...for those in the know mainly 755J work.Secondly there was a designated area within a hangar to conduct any surface finishing on aircraft.For example at Marham,we had half of an hangar within the VMMU (Victor Major Maintenance Unit) which we isolated by way of a huge winding curtain...and for the Tornado we had a HAS to paint in.At the SAR paint shop at Finningley it was another curtain for exclusion,and again the same set up within 3 hangar at Scampton,next to the "Reds Shed."Today you are talking stand alone facilites,built by the likes of Hodge Clemco,Dalby and at Coningsby Eisenmann..and run by a terrible second rate support company who's name sounds like "Circus.":lol:

canberra
28-07-2011, 07:17
On the subject of painting I always remember when I was on IV we sent one of our aircraft to Saints for a repaint, it came back 40 pounds heavier! The odd thing was a month after being painted it went back to Saints for a major servicing.

Carnaby
30-07-2011, 11:23
On an official visit to Kemble many years ago we watched an F-16 (?) depart (with a flypast) after a paint job. Can't remember where it was flying to - but wasn't in the UK. We were informed that should it rain on the journey, the aircraft would have to return and have the job done all over again. Hope the Met got it right.

EDIT: just read on another thread Denis's comment 'not very good on identifying American pointy noisy things'. Me too - hence the '?' after the F-16 :wink:.

ww2ni
30-07-2011, 15:31
Hi,
I was having a look around Limavady airfield a couple of years ago.

Limavady had been a Coastal Command base and for some strange reason I found that when I was at the old Paintshop and saw the various camouflage colours painted on the walls this was the place where I REALLY started thinking about life and death as a Coastal Command Airman.

WJT
31-07-2011, 08:56
I hear Ted's cry from the heart. Without the backing of OC Eng Wing then the Painters and Dopers (that trade title always stuck despite the demise of fabric and dope decades earlier) never got a fair shout. When they got that backing the standards of the MT and the ground equipment as well as the aircraft would quickly improve. It often needed some push from OC Eng Wg to make sure that the maintenance of the spray shop facilities was up to scratch and I know that intervention was needed a couple of times at places where I was when the extraction or the heating went belly up.

From 1974 whole-aircraft spraying was carried out at Brawdy, where the RAF inherited from the Royal Navy a small hangar fitted out with appropriate lighting, heating and extraction. At West Raynham two of the vehicl bays in MTSS were used for painting, including the Bloodhound missiles. One of the two bays was used only for prep because only the large bay had the lighting, clean air and extraction needed for the actual painting.

I suppose the big paint shops in the sky were those at 32 MU at St Athan (as well as the training which was carried out by 4 SofTT) and at 5 MU, Kemble. I think I have some photos somewhere - will see if I can find them.

canberra
31-07-2011, 10:54
I was on guard at Leuchars with a painter I remeber him telling me that a Tornado had 13 coats of paint on it.

But whatever became of the USAF experiment of using a form of fablon instead of paint? I read about this in Air Forces Monthly in the mid nineties, a trial was done on a C130 and instead of several coats of paint it was covered in a coloured form of fablon. I say fablon as thats what the article described the stuff as.

ted angus
31-07-2011, 11:44
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I suppose the big paint shops in the sky were those at 32 MU at St Athan (as well as the training which was carried out by 4 SofTT) and at 5 MU, Kemble. I think I have some photos somewhere - will see if I can find them.[/QUOTE]

Saints had the best shops in the late 90s, but the standard was not the best! it was a factory, the management were getting their butts licked to meet schedules, the pressure was on the lads - so we can guess the results.

ted angus
31-07-2011, 11:45
I was on guard at Leuchars with a painter I remeber him telling me that a Tornado had 13 coats of paint on it.

But whatever became of the USAF experiment of using a form of fablon instead of paint? I read about this in Air Forces Monthly in the mid nineties, a trial was done on a C130 and instead of several coats of paint it was covered in a coloured form of fablon. I say fablon as thats what the article described the stuff as.

13 ish That would be about right with certain finishes; There have been lots of "stick on" coatings but not for discussion on here !!
TED