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Paul Francis
29-08-2008, 11:37
Hatfield - Dynamics & Aerospace Sites

A few pics of the BAE Dynamics Site

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/norwichpaul/Hatfield/img871.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/norwichpaul/Hatfield/hat46.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/norwichpaul/Hatfield/hat41.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/norwichpaul/Hatfield/hat17.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/norwichpaul/Hatfield/rr15.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/norwichpaul/Hatfield/hat19.jpg

Paul Francis
06-03-2009, 18:32
Hatfield's Control Tower / Fire Station & Comet Hangar

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/norwichpaul/Hatfield/img276a.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/norwichpaul/Hatfield/img277a.jpg

Peter Kirk
06-03-2009, 23:16
You must have been young when you took those NP?
I assume from the correct vertical lines that they were taken with one of those cameras that you can tilt the lens or plate in relation to each other(can't recall the proper name).

Paul Francis
07-03-2009, 09:46
Its called 'tilt and shift' PNK. I didn't take them, the top one, by DH photograher (now public domain) and the other by John Maltby, contracted to DH. Both c.1954.

rotarypete
08-03-2009, 20:58
I am working on the old airfield site at the moment.......huge change from when I last knew it in the 1990's when BAE still had a presence, the odd aircraft flew in and Band of Brothers was filmed there.

Today, the main hangar is preserved as a David Lloyd fitness center, the control tower is still there, the open airfield is now a mix of light industrial, housing and the University of Hertfordshire, whilst the 1930's offices I believe are now incorporated into the Police station. Nowdays, as is so common, the road names are the biggest indications of what was.......

diddy1234
08-03-2009, 23:16
rotarypete, isn't half of the site (south end) still in existence ?

I know the runway has been taken up but are there any plans for the south-east end ?

There was talk of the DeHavilland museum moving to part of the old site but this did not happen in the end (they are based near St. Albans).

I does seem a great shame really what has happened to the site, its as thought the first jet airliner was never designed at Hatfield.

Richard Flagg
11-03-2009, 14:31
A few comparison photos taken from similar positions to Pauls above.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/HERTFORDSHIRE/Hatfield/20090305Hatfield44-1.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/HERTFORDSHIRE/Hatfield/20090305Hatfield38-1.jpg

And the remaining hangar
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/HERTFORDSHIRE/Hatfield/20090305Hatfield43-1.jpg

mawganmad
04-04-2009, 12:23
There is a good thread running on Key Forums on Hatfield (here http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=89434)

Carol de Solla Atkin has kindly given permission for her lovely pictures to be posted here aswel, I'm hoping she wil join the AIX as she visits different airfields. As they are so eloquent and witty, I have also cut and pasted her words here...

'Hatfield Aerodrome is a bit of a passion of mine. I know of at least one Chipmunk pilot who lives in those grotty new houses.

It is rather wonderful that a number of the old buildings have been preserved. It would have been asking too much to expect them to have been kept the way that folk like us would have wanted. That would have been a bit of a luxury. I try to keep very chilled when I see stuff like this:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/HatfieldMay08j.jpg

It's preserved and that is what matters.

The buildings referred to as the Administration block (please correct me, if I am wrong) and the Canteen Block were virtually in ruins four years ago. They now look like this (note: These pics are a year old, so there have been further improvements).

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/HatfieldMay08b.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/HatfieldMay08o.jpg

The gate house is rather lovely:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/HatfieldMay08i.jpg

The main hangar which is now inhabited by David Lloyd still retains quite a lot of old features and the gym has a vague aviation theme to some of its decor.

The BAe logo is still visible in the reception.

The control tower is now a hotel. If you book the penthouse, you actually have the glass room at the top of the tower included.

The fire station is the hairdressers. I tried to tell the young staff the history of the place, knowing their eyes would glaze over. I was not disappointed!

The roads on the new estate are named after de Havilland (and BAe subsidiary) aircraft, engineers, test pilots. Here's one for starters.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/16db1383.jpg

I was very tempted to write to the Council/Post Office and the only two companies that are in 'Gypsy' Moth Ave and in a very polite way persuade them to change - even if they did it over several years, to ensure that there was no expense involved.

The house on the corner of Dragon Road, still has a plaque by the door saying 'Dragon Moth Road' along with some pictures of balloons!

Here's another local sign:'

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/6d63574a.jpg

Words and pics Carol de Solla Atkin.

mawganmad
04-04-2009, 12:27
Aviation Journalist, J. Kightly has also let me post his picture here, obviously a historic occasion with the two DH Comet types together.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/CometsHatfield.jpg

G-ORDY
04-04-2009, 18:52
Those Dynamics shots were very evocative, reminded me of my time there 1989-91.

Here's a few from my collection:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aero101/Hatfield-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aero101/Hatfield-2.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aero101/Hatfield.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aero101/R2785.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aero101/X7254.jpg

mawganmad
04-04-2009, 18:54
Hi G-ORDY, welcome and thanks for nipping over and posting, some interesting pics and info there.

Richard Flagg
04-04-2009, 18:58
Hi G-ORDY

Thanks for putting up the photos, that is the aircraft that isn't the Dragon Rapide? It has a Blackburn look about it but that is just a guess! I like the 1937 chart too, when was the runway put in?

canberra
04-04-2009, 19:15
Yes lovely pictures. Always been intrigued as to why DeHavilland broke with the moth names when he called it the Flamingo. And I can remember(just!) when the railway line from St Albans to Hatfield was still in use.

mawganmad
04-04-2009, 19:19
Well it could either be a Dominie which was the RAF training and coms version of the Dragon Rapide, or else it is a Dragon Rapide that has been impressed into RAF service.
Or do you mean the one above it, that is a DH95 Flamingo

mawganmad
06-04-2009, 07:27
14 built I believe, if it had better than its Perseus engines may have been more successful. If it was slightly larger I reckon it could hve been a serious Dakota rival.
The naming fits in quite well with the previous large DH type, the Albatross, the most graceful large piston aircraft ever built I say.

G-ORDY
06-04-2009, 11:52
14 built I believe, if it had better than its Perseus engines may have been more successful. If it was slightly larger I reckon it could hve been a serious Dakota rival.
The naming fits in quite well with the previous large DH type, the Albatross, the most graceful large piston aircraft ever built I say.

Sorry about that chaps, I should have captioned the photos properly! I have masses of pre-war DH photos taken from the original glass negatives in the 1970s.

The Flamingo was named by Geoffrey de Havilland after he saw the birds in their natural habitat when he delivered a new Rapide (VP-KCL) to Wilson Airways in Nairobi, Kenya. It was of all metal, stressed skin construction (not unlike the Douglas DC-5) and carried between 12-17 passengers. FF was from Hatfield on 22 December 1938 piloted by GDH Junior and George Gibbins. The outbreak of war put paid to it and only 16 were completed (c/ns 95001 - 95015 plus 95020) 95016-19 were unfinished "Hertfordshire" military transports. The last survivor, G-AFYH, was scrapped at Redhill in May 1954.

Meanwhile, here's a shot taken at the Kings Cup Air Race in the summer of 1934.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aero101/G-ACIX-Comper-Mouse-Hatfiel.jpg

The Comper Mouse (with the Streak behind it), note the Flying Club building and the aerodrome light. (Photo by Geoffrey Wickner)

tcress
14-04-2009, 03:40
Aahh, the clubhouse. Latterly it housed the Senior Staff Restaurant (in the ballroom) & the Management Mess - silver service every day! Just two of the five restaurants on the aircraft side of the site - plus the "Aviation Club", of course. Ultimately the old club house was a victim of the Bishop's Square development, although the car park never actually extended to cover the site in the end.

The building with the beacon on it ended-up becoming the entrance lobby of the Marketing Display Centre which was a large modern prefab, built on the site of the swimming pool, to house the interior mockups of 146, Statesman, ATP, J41 & BAe 1000. There was also a huge display of models of past products of the BAe constituent companies - I wonder what became of those?

The old flying club hangars housed the Plastics Department where the aircraft interior trim panels were produced. It outlasted the clubhouse, but ultimately succumbed to Bishop's Square in 1992 (ish).

diddy1234
13-05-2009, 16:43
Aahh, the clubhouse. Latterly it housed the Senior Staff Restaurant (in the ballroom) & the Management Mess - silver service every day! Just two of the five restaurants on the aircraft side of the site - plus the "Aviation Club", of course. Ultimately the old club house was a victim of the Bishop's Square development, although the car park never actually extended to cover the site in the end.

The building with the beacon on it ended-up becoming the entrance lobby of the Marketing Display Centre which was a large modern prefab, built on the site of the swimming pool, to house the interior mockups of 146, Statesman, ATP, J41 & BAe 1000. There was also a huge display of models of past products of the BAe constituent companies - I wonder what became of those?

The old flying club hangars housed the Plastics Department where the aircraft interior trim panels were produced. It outlasted the clubhouse, but ultimately succumbed to Bishop's Square in 1992 (ish).

I suspect that the models exist at the DeHavilland Museum in St Albans (http://www.dehavillandmuseum.co.uk/).
There are lots of wooden scale models at this museum (mostly in and above the display cabinets).

I cannot vouch for the mockup interiors though.

ww2nut
02-02-2010, 13:38
Hatfield being the set of BAND OF BROTHERS, had a look on google earth, and then on flash earth, flash earth shows the whole set, huge with water and buildings, but then on google earth...nothing left, does anyone know if there is anything from the set left in situ??

Carnaby
02-02-2010, 15:23
...flash earth shows the whole set, huge with water and buildings, but then on google earth...nothing...

Presume you mean these: Flash (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.766338&lon=-0.257371&z=15.5&r=0&src=msl), and Google (http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.76621981201533&lon=-0.25603294372558594&gz=15&oz=7&gt=1).

There is quite a difference. Flash (Microsoft / Bing) is clearly much older, whereas the posting I did re Filton was just the opposite.

Graham

wieesso
18-06-2010, 17:20
Hi,
I'm a new member and am interested in the hexagonal structure of some parts of the old Hatfield apron. Would like to know the reason for these unconventional shape. Any help or advice available?
Thanks
Martin

Peter Kirk
18-06-2010, 19:10
I'm sure I've read somrthing about those somewhere but that is of no use!

Interesting, although they look more like something you would have on your patio.

PETERTHEEATER
19-06-2010, 10:19
Hi,
I'm a new member and am interested in the hexagonal structure of some parts of the old Hatfield apron. Would like to know the reason for these unconventional shape. Any help or advice available?
Thanks
Martin

Interesting; not the sort of thing one would see from ground level so I opine that even people who worked there would not know of the existence.

Just realised that the individual slabs are much smaller than I first assumed which implies prefabricated hardstandings interlocking which could be quickly laid on levelled soil?

wieesso
19-06-2010, 13:33
Just found this:

-Concrete Runways- by J. N. Mc Feeters, 1946

"A hexagonal formation of joints had been suggested in the past and might not add unduly to constructional problems, if carefully thought out, whilst reducing the tendency to corner cracking.....
The high stresses at edges and corners of rectangular slabs were a controlling factor in the design. Whilst it was appreciated that the rectangular shape facilitated construction, particularly on large-scale mechanized concreting operations ; it was possible that hexagonal units might, on the whole, be more economical and efficient, having regard to:
(a) reduced corner-stresses, consequent on elimination of right-angled joints;
(b) reduced length of edges per unit area for slabs of equal strength;
(c) natural interlocking at expansion joints.
Mr. Sarginson suggested the lay-out illustrated in Fig. 16. Could the author state whether that or any other polygonal lay-out (such as octagons interlocked with small squares) had been put to practical test?...
With regard to the tests undertaken at Hatfield, although those were limited by the amount of money that could be allocated from the contract, the author hoped that someone would in due course describe them to the Airport Division, as he understood them to be the first attempt in Great Britain to measure the strains set up by heavy loads on a variety of slabjoints."

http://www.icevirtuallibrary.com/docserver/fulltext/idivp.1946.13137.pdf

Paul Francis
19-06-2010, 19:56
I think we may well have the full report on this in the archives, but where exactly it is, is anyones guess.

wieesso
19-06-2010, 20:24
I think we may well have the full report on this in the archives, but where exactly it is, is anyones guess.

...the location? - see attached pic!

If you're still interested in hex slabs...
New Zealand, Whenuapai
http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=civil&action=print&thread=4205
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/NZ8800/2005_03060032.jpg

Peter Kirk
02-08-2011, 20:42
It's funny how something catches your eye. Is this a giant Christmas Cracker at Hatfield? The Tom Smith Building perhaps? :)

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Jet Tester
08-08-2011, 10:42
Some photos of the Hatfield Engine Test Site.They depict general views of deHavillands expansion of the Gas dynamics laboratory.
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Paul Francis
08-08-2011, 13:42
Some photos of the Hatfield Engine Test Site.They depict general views of deHavillands expansion of the Gas dynamics laboratory.

Trevor where did you get those pics from?

Jet Tester
09-08-2011, 08:16
Hello Paul , i thought you may be interested in these pics. In the early 90's, working for AVCO Lycoming based across the runway at BAe , we used an on site photograher who worked to record engine defects etc.I cant remember his name but i told him of my interest and local history of the Dynamics site and told me there was an extensive archive in the basement section of the front buiding but i had to be quick as it all going to be moved out and i could only go in the archive room with him . Also the pictures he printed for me were identified by negative, not an easy task.

There was another archive or ad-hoc store i think was in No25 bed which held a variety of wind tunnel data.Before we left Hatfield i remember a pile of documentation dumped outside getting wet so i salvaged a couple of files for prosperity.

Ive uploaded a few more of pics. Note the installation of the large Brown Boveri compressor followed by a pose from a work colleage in 1988.
Also note 49Bed Wessex coupling gearbox rig which was the only production work carried out in the Halford Lab. It was partically hair raising adjusting the oil pressure inches away from the dyno shaft !

Paul Francis
09-08-2011, 09:21
Interesting, isn't that 46 bed? I recognise your Brown Boveri man, saw him in April at a reunion.

I wish I had known about the 25 bed archives. I did get the site plans and test bed drawings etc, in fact I am sorting them out today along with other Hatfield stuff for our archive. Also would be interested in writing a book on the test site. I already have a basic history compiled but its on one of the first generation floppie disks (4 in square?) so I need to get it off there. Could I have hi-res copies of these by e-mail please? The photographer's name was Darall Cott.

Jet Tester
09-08-2011, 11:02
Yes it was 46 Bed, memories fading fast. Give me a day or two and i'll send some high res pics.

TOB
29-09-2011, 20:57
Just doing some research on the EE Canberra used by the de Havilland Propeller Company at Hatfield for flight-testing and development of the guidance system for the company’s air-to-air guided missiles: Firestreak and Red Top circa 1958.

Does anyone know whether it could have been B2, WJ644? Or did they use more than one Canberra in the late '50s?

If anyone has a photo, details of colours etc – even better.

Paul Francis
29-09-2011, 21:11
I dont know much about canberras but wasn't WJ644 the Spectre flying test bed? We have a number of B/W photos in the archive of this aircraft I think with the Spectre running and air to air shots, but these are not stored here. Wasn't there a blue-coloured Gyron Junior flying test bed as well, or is the same aircraft?

TOB
29-09-2011, 21:53
Not sure Paul.

I've been asked to produce some artwork of a Canberra used by the DH Propeller Company testing a missile in 1958. Unfortunately I haven't been given any more info other than it had underwing pylons, bomb bay floodlights and camera! I'm not sure whether it was a B2 or B(I)8 etc...

Like you, I'm not a Canberra expert either, so after a Google search I found a mention about B2 WJ644 and just wondered if it was this one or not.

Paul Francis
29-09-2011, 22:08
Ignore my post above acording to Kennith Munson:

WJ644. B.2. used by the Ministry of Supply for high altitude firing trials at Aberporth of the de Havilland Firestreak. Weapons launched from underwing pylons, with guidance mechanism and a tracking camera installed in a modified and slightly lengthened nose.

An MoS aircraft not DH.

I was thinking of:

WF909. B.2. used by Rolls-Royce from July 1952 for surge tests and general Avon development. To de Havilland Propellers December 1955 for conversion as testbed for 3180kg Gyron Junior DGJ.1, with which it first flew (one DGJ.1, in port nacelle) on 28th May 1957.

and

VN813. Second B.1, used by Rolls-Royce November 1950 to September 1951 for development of the Nene R.Ne.2. To T.R.E. Great Malvern until August 1952; to de Havilland June 1953; converted by Folland 1956 to become first aircraft flown in Great Britain with a fully-controllable rocket motor (D.H. Spectre). First airborne firing of the Spectre 18th December 1956.

It is WF909 that we have pictures of.

TOB
29-09-2011, 22:15
The only other info I've been given is that the aircraft in question was flown by DH aircrew. Does this sound right given that it was an MoS aircraft?

WJT
29-09-2011, 22:57
TOB: Canberras used by DH included the following (mainly B2):

VN813 - Spectre

WJ755 - Spectre

WD992 - Missile development

WF909 - Gyron Jr

WH700 - Blue Jay

WH735 - Blue Jay

WJ644 - Blue Jay and Red Top

WK135 - Blue Jay

WJ978 - Blue Jay

XH132 - Red Top (PR9).

Note that Blue Jay was the 'rainbow code' for Firestreak. Four of the B2s went out to Woomera as part of No 12 Joint Services Trials Unit for the Firestreak live firing trials. The aircraft would never be 'owned' by DH and would comprise part of the Controller (Aircraft) fleet whilst on loan for the specific trials requirement.

There are half a dozen photos of these aircraft in the book "English Electric Canberra" by Ken Delve, Peter Green and John Clemons. The book also contains a detailed history of every Canberra built, including those above.

TOB
30-09-2011, 12:51
Thanks WJT, very much appreciated as this gives me a great lead on solving the mystery. Will hunt out a copy of the book too.

PaulHP
21-11-2011, 21:02
Had a quick look through this thread and did not notice a mention of the Hatfield Aerodrome Heritage Trail: http://www.hatfield-herts.co.uk/aviation/avhistrail.html

Leaflet including map can be downloaded here: http://www.dhaetsa.org.uk/dhaets/documents/101831_de_havilland_heritage_trail_leaflet_v6.pdf

And the beacon that used to be at North Weald has been restored: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aecsouthall/6370038245/

ianbache
31-12-2011, 17:22
Heres a good image of what looks like Hatfields old tower, behind DH Sea Venom NF 20 WK379, ive looked on "control towers", and it looks the same and with the DH Venom in the pic it stands a good chance ?



http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii425/LLanbedr/de_haviland_sea_venom_nf_20_wk379Hatfield.jpg

mawganmad
01-01-2012, 20:19
TOB re your post #42
It was usual with company prototypes for proposed production aircraft to be owned by the MoS (who issued the aircraft specification or requirement for trials) and flown by the company test pilots, this was sometimes the case for production aircraft used on trials, especially where new company componants were being tested.

Some production and prototype aircraft were owned by the MoS and employed exclusively for research and trials use in the progression of aero technology by the RAE, A&AE etc (later under MoD PE), these were more often (but not exclusively) flown by MoS pilots.

One example,
The de Havilland 110 was built to an MoS specification arising from RAF and Admiralty requirements, they owned the two prototypes, but the company pilots flew them. For the Farnaborough airshow week the aircraft were 'leased' back to de Havilland for demonstration flying (by the same company crews), as it would be the company that would possibly gain in potential sales etc.

weegie602
19-07-2012, 20:08
When was the last flight or flights out of Hatfield?. I used to work for herts Council in the mid 1990's and remember going to hatfield quite a bit to the social services building there for training and hearing what seemed like aero engines running up.

Jet Tester
28-07-2012, 19:15
Hi weegie602,
I used to work for Allied-Signal Aerospace and after the site closure we had to move our workshop out to Luton airport.But for a few years the remaining outside engine test facility at Hatfield was still being used by us. The work was continous and quite often we tested 2 engines , sometimes starting at 6 in the morning and finishing late at night.

I may be correct in saying the last unofficial flight going out of Hatfield was after the runway closure. We were preparing an engine for test and finishing off paperwork in our top test room shed, furnished by Bygraves Garden Centre, and there was a knock on the door and entered a confused lost pilot who said with no introduction "IS THIS PANGSHANGER".We made him a cup of tea and gave him directions as if he was driving a road vehicle and flew off into the sunset in his small piper.
The security firm controlling the closed site never found out but they were a sleepy bunch.

Some photos of the ALF 502 Hatfield Test facility
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Paul Francis
28-07-2012, 19:25
Your advatar Trevor where did that come from? What would I give to go back to those days? Working there is now a re-occuring dream, I just can't get the place out of my head.

Jet Tester
28-07-2012, 19:37
Hi paul , yes the sign for the whole Hatfield test site sign was to be chucked out so i kept this small portion and during removal i remember it disclosing Bristol insigniar.

pauline
29-07-2012, 16:03
This whole thread is fascinating. My husband used to visit a De Havilland drawing office, and I think this must have been at Hatfield, Roy, my husband's, expertise was in light sensitive coatings for paper which was used in the drawing offices. He was a trouble shooter so he visited all the major aircraft manufacturer's drawing offices. i believe that security was very tight in these offices. Does anyone know any more about this?

Pauline.

XL445
05-12-2012, 18:35
Here is a picture of HS 125 G-OHEA at Hatfield in possibly 1988 Open Day10762

woodypup
18-01-2013, 20:44
As said on the Leavesden thread, I used to work there and at the RR engine test beds at the “Dynamics” site at Hatfield.

I remember the Brown Boveri compressor shown by Jet Tester (post 35). It was the size of a large house, and the electric motor driving it was the size of a lorry. It used so much juice, they had to call up the GECB to stoke up the boilers before it was turned on, and the lights in Hatfield went dim when it was running.

There was an old Gyron Junior engine (ex TSR2 ??) used as a hot air generator for desert conditions tests. Always fun to press the start warning klaxon if your mate was doing a blade inspection – he had to run the 120 feet down the exhaust de-tuner to get out !

Then there were the 4 Ghosts (2nd generation Frank Whittle designs) with custom power turbines, back to back in the Halford Lab to act as prime mover for large compressor tests.

Many’s the time I had to pop into the test chamber while the above lot was thundering away to change batteries in the amplifiers. “Just don’t go too near the air intake”. Health & safety – whats that ?

But one of my earliest memories is seeing a rocket test in one of the towers, possibly Blue Steel or Blue Streak.

Richard Flagg
07-02-2013, 21:55
One from Nigel Bailey-Underwood taken in 1991
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/HERTFORDSHIRE/Hatfield/img017.jpg

Martin Bull
01-04-2013, 20:22
Recently took a lonely walk across the Hatfield site. I don't want to repeat what's already on this thread, but a length of reduced-width taxiway has been left leading out to the Western end of the old runway....

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/MossieMuseum/MossieMus192_zps5c96ef32.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/MossieMuseum/MossieMus198_zpsffff06bd.jpg

Otherwise, there is little to see of the old flying area.

Another Number
02-04-2013, 07:19
That looks like all we found left there last year too Martin, can't believe there is so little of the place left now. Oh and there is that wonderful ABCT marker stone. I'm just so grateful that the place is remembered with such dignity, who is this Bannerman bloke anyway? Talk about an ego on a 'memorial'....

Martin Bull
02-04-2013, 17:31
Well, I wasn't going to mention it...but now that you have......:twisted:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/MossieMuseum/MossieMus190_zpsa521a169.jpg

I don't wish to sound churlish, but the wording ( 'units and personnel' ) seems out of place for a production, as opposed to operational, airfield. Also, no mention of such men as John and Geoffrey Raoul de Havilland, John Derry and Tony Richards, all of whom were killed flying from this airfield while testing or demonstrating aircraft built here.

Chipmunk Carol
03-04-2013, 01:04
Fortunately, the names of the late and great are recognised in the road names in the area. On the University de Havilland Campus there is the Club de Havilland which is open to the public. In the entrance is the huge 2003 painting by Edmund Miller, a DH employee, depicting a number of de Havilland aircraft and the most well known of the DH workforce.

Carol de Solla Atkin.

WJT
03-04-2013, 07:30
Carol is right - there are a number of commemorations of the de Havilland dynasty in and around the Campus, including a statue of the Great Man himself. There is also the Heritage Trail around parts of the site.

In the former Admin Block, now the HQ of Herts Police, the memorial to Geoffrey Jr has been returned to its position on the main staircase, where it was first placed in 1946, after his death in the 108. The memorial was subscribed to by all the staff at Hatfield.

If I remember correctly, John Derry and Tony Richards were laid to rest at the Church in Knebworth, and I think that it is in Tewin Churchyard that many of the de Havillands were buried (will have to check that).

Martin Bull
04-04-2013, 08:01
I hope this isn't 'drifting' the thread, but here is the de Havilland plot at Tewin : -

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/MossieMuseum/DH013.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/MossieMuseum/DH001.jpg

The photos were taken about four years ago. I was on a country walk with my wife and blushingly have to confess that I had no idea the graves were there until I stumbled across them - rather embarrassing gap in my knowledge as a sometime helper at the Mosquito Museum......:oops:

Jenna
06-04-2013, 17:37
Nice shots, I was under the impression the graves were being maintained by BAe (as part of a long standing agreement) around the time the photo's were taken but can any one confirm that the agreement still stands?

I haven't seen them since the Hatfield Aviation Association restoration ceremony back in the late 90's so it would be nice to know they are ok.....l remember I was surprised to find out that Geoffrey de Havilland (snr) although he had an inscription on his wife's grave stone (far one in the photo) had his ashes scattered at Beacon Hill, Seven Barrows were he first learnt to fly back in 1910.

Chipmunk Carol
08-04-2013, 19:55
The navigational beacon which once stood on the roof of the flying school went, briefly, to the Mosquito Museum and spent a considerable number of years at North Weald airfield. With the help of a truly motivated man, at the University, the de Havilland Residents' Association and Lottery funding, it has been restored beautifully and in great detail by a Ware engineering company and was returned to Hatfield a couple of years ago.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v718/Aviatrix/Hatfield%20Beacon/28Nov11304-1.jpg

Chipmunk Carol
08-04-2013, 20:11
Here's another shot of the remaining taxyway. It is taken from the would-be 06 threshold towards the University of Hertfordshire in the SE corner. Fortunately, the greater part of the airfield is now grass and grazed by longhorn cattle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v718/Aviatrix/Hatfield/IMG_1619_zps61d11649.jpg

Martin Bull
09-04-2013, 21:01
Just this week I visited Rabley Heath which is a few minutes' drive from Hatfield. This is where John Derry lived and the Robin Hood and Little John was his local pub : -

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/MossieMuseum/MossieMus217_zps39f1cd3b.jpg

Just inside the door is this framed memento : -

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/MossieMuseum/MossieMus221_zpsa1134185.jpg

And another couple of minutes down the road, in the churchyard at Old Knebworth : -

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/MossieMuseum/MossieMus229_zps0d462737.jpg

Richard Flagg
30-04-2013, 21:18
Stopped by Hatfield on Sunday 28 April, here are a couple of photos from there;

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/HERTFORDSHIRE/Hatfield/20130428Hatfield53-001.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/HERTFORDSHIRE/Hatfield/20130428Hatfield54-001.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/HERTFORDSHIRE/Hatfield/20130428Hatfield56-001.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/HERTFORDSHIRE/Hatfield/20130428Hatfield58-001.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/HERTFORDSHIRE/Hatfield/20130428Hatfield64-001.jpg

mawganmad
01-05-2013, 13:19
Lovely images there Martin, is Anthony Richards' grave alongside that of John Derry?

As someone has mentioned, Derry and Richards flew from Hatfield for their fateful Farnborough display that day, as DH110 WG240 went unserviceable with a badly running Avon at Farnborough that morning, they flew to Hatfield in the company Dove to collect and display WG236.

Nice that these great names in British aviation are still remembered.

Martin Bull
12-05-2013, 09:26
is Anthony Richards' grave alongside that of John Derry?



I believe - although I stand to be corrected - that Derry and Richards were cremated , and that their remains are interred together in the grave at Knebworth.

mawganmad
12-05-2013, 10:42
Forgive my stupid question earlier Martin, I first viewed your image on my mobile and didn't make out the lower script on the stone.

WJT
10-06-2014, 17:58
The first of a new series of books on Hatfield has gone to press. The author is John Clifford, Senior Communications Manager (Europe) for Pitney Bowes. PB has recently relocated to new premises on Mosquito Way.

In advance of publication of the first book, John is giving a lecture as follows:


http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/leisculture/heritage1/hals/whatson/lectures


More details as they become known.

Chipmunk Carol
16-06-2014, 12:55
I just tried to book for this and failed!
Let me share a friendly tip with you for joyous success!

1. The phone no. shown on the link is a central no. They will ask you which library you are booking for. Ask for "Hertfordshire Archive".

2. The date is Tues 24 June.

3. Don't try booking on Monday (today!) as the Archive is closed. It's open usually from 9am-7.30pm.

4. The Archive is located next to County Hall, to the right in a separate, smaller building in Peggs Lane, SG13 8EJ

See you there!