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Peter Kirk
13-09-2008, 22:59
Just been flicking through "Britain's Military Airfields 1939-1945" by David J. Smith and it occured to me that Aldergrove must be one of the few airfields that had it's hard surfaced runways ripped up and laid in a different pattern. I originally thought the runways that were replaced were grass but apparently not. There is even evidence in the current aerial photos on Google Earth/Maps of the old ones or at least the N-S and E-W ones.
Excluding grass to concrete upgrades I can only think of two changes, Sydenham and Pocklington where this has happened. In any case the last two were single runway re-aligments. It wasn't only the runways at Aldergrove either as the sprawling dispersals also seem to have been replaced by finger and star hardstands.
Is this unique?

Peter

Paul Francis
13-09-2008, 23:06
Burtonwood

Peter Kirk
13-09-2008, 23:34
Burtonwood

Not quite what I had in mind. Granted Burtonwood had a new runway added but the original two kept the same alignments. I was thinking more about re-alignments

Peter

Paul Francis
14-09-2008, 08:54
No PNK one of the original two runways (22-04) was re-aligned to take it clear of the new development just west of the tech site.

Peter Kirk
14-09-2008, 11:05
No PNK one of the original two runways (22-04) was re-aligned to take it clear of the new development just west of the tech site.

You are, of course, right. I was looking at plans in a book, and when you look at the aerial photo you can see the remains of the previous runway. I should have stuck with my normal approach of aerials first.
So then apart form Sydenham, Pocklington and Burtonwood what .........................

Peter

Paul Francis
14-09-2008, 13:32
PNK congrats on your promotion and yes the book is wrong, I have the same one.

hugoj_air
31-01-2009, 23:08
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr278/hugoj_air/image001-1.jpg

This pic was taken from the West. The two hangars in the foreground show how much
the realigned E/W runway was moved by. It followed the line directly towards the eastern
hangar in Peter's drawing. Not much sign of the other runways now.

Hugo

Peter Kirk
06-03-2009, 23:53
A rough sketch of the layout in 1942 before a completely new runway pattern was laid.

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/PNK_album/Maps/Aldergroveol.jpg

ww2ni
30-11-2009, 12:45
The Royal Air Force Police Explosive Search Dog Unit officers have an interesting item standing at the front door of their building.

Its a very large terrorist Mortar System incorporating both mortar and launcher!:-o

WJT
30-11-2009, 15:36
Realigned runway = Chelveston.

ww2ni
11-12-2009, 19:24
Aldergrove Control Tower

:-D

ww2ni
09-06-2010, 20:21
I have attached a picture of a Second World War Airraid shelter beside what appears to have been a Guardroom.

These are at Aldergrove.

Is there a specific name for the type of shelter?

Paul Francis
09-06-2010, 22:17
Air raid shelter is correct but the building is not a guard room, its the warden's office, of a type built on ASU sub-sites - hope that helps.

To identify the AR WW2ni, you will need to get into it and submit a photo I fear.

gwrco
09-06-2010, 23:31
...in the 3 years i was based at aldergrove, i never saw this building on the main site, so can only assume it's on the opposite side, which is 'C' site.

tim

Paul Francis
10-06-2010, 11:12
'C' Site would be a sub-site

Richard Flagg
10-06-2010, 11:41
it looks like the ARS had to entrances, or is there two ARS's?

ww2ni
10-06-2010, 15:42
Its 2 entrances into the one shelter.
There were some others until recent years when they were removed to creata a ....Car Park!

ww2ni
09-07-2010, 10:22
There is now a 1 "Drop-Off Fee" for when you are bringing someone to Belfast International Airport!

If you are dropping them with their baggage at the doors of the Terminal you are now obliged to pay 1 for the pleasure of being permitted 15 minutes to do so.

I dont know who dreamed up this money spinning idea but we are being told it is to ease congestion and in compliance with the Governments Security requirements following the Glasgow bombing.

In my opinion it will simply cause more congestion in the surrounding area and I will make my protest by ensuring that I get every minute of the 15 I am buying before I vacate my space causing much more congestion for the money grabbers to consider.

What next??

AiXAdmin
09-07-2010, 11:03
Same at East Midlands I'm led to believe.

"Time to spare? Go by air."

Peter Kirk
09-07-2010, 22:01
Only go with a credit card. That always does the trick.
Despite always using cash where possible (card fraud has chit us too many times) I like to pull the "who uses cash in this day and age" ploy to really annoy jobsworths.
I also carry a crisp ne 20 note for similar "right change" bods.

Carnaby
10-07-2010, 08:00
Bristol Lulsgate is free for ten minutes in the Drop off/Pick up car park, but no return within 15 minutes is enforced using Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) technology.

Stays of between 10-60 minutes cost 4. However, customers who anticipate a stay longer than 10 minutes are advised to park in the Short Stay car park, where a stay of up to 30 minutes will still be available for 2.50, and 30-60 minutes for 3.

As I discovered recently it gets very stressful picking up someone who is delayed for an unknown period. The 15 minute rule will mean that you will have to leave the airport and drive around the local area for a while as there is about eight miles of continuous 'double-yellows' in the vicinity.

Graham

Peter Kirk
10-07-2010, 08:51
Reminds me of the begining of "Airplane" with the Red and White zones :)

When we meet someone at Gatwick we always use the short stay and go for a wander around the airport (or shopping mall as they now seem to be). When the flight arrives and they have come through we then go to get the car and drive round and pick them up. Saves carting all that luggage to the car park. Mind you now it is compulsory for all suitcases to have wheels it is much easier to go straight to the car park.

canberra
10-07-2010, 09:11
I suppose we forget that airports are there to make money. But I get very annoyed at hospitals charging for car parks.

ww2ni
10-07-2010, 09:21
Belfast City Airport allows you a free drop-off so why not at the international? Sounds like they have ben getting advice from Ryanair!

canberra
10-07-2010, 09:24
Dundee airport has a free car park.

Carnaby
06-09-2010, 12:02
Just found my January 1947 Landing Chart. Aldergrove (JV) had two 2,000 x 50 yard runways:
08/26 was equipped with USAAF HILV Bartow lighting
18/36 used the Type 'F' Sodium Flarepath.
It also states that Drem Mk.3 was installed, though it is not clear whether this referred to either / both runways.

Audit has been updated.

Graham

canberra
06-09-2010, 18:28
PNK just looked at the diagram youve put on and it looks to me as if Aldergrove had four runways not the usual three.

TommyUSA
07-09-2010, 02:20
In my neck of the woods (well - not really, this is still 500 miles from me!), the Pensacola, Florida Regional Airport has new runways installed over the old ones that the Naval Aviation field once had. They're realigned about 40 degrees from the originals. If you look at a satellite pic (maps.google.com or GE come to mind), you can see the current runways and fragments of the old ones.

BTW, this airfield was used to film the exteriors of the John Wayne/Maureen O'Hara movie "The Wings of Eagles", about Naval aviator/ Hollywood screenwriter Frank 'Spig' Wead.

Tommy

Carnaby
07-09-2010, 08:34
... the Pensacola, Florida Regional Airport has new runways installed over the old ones that the Naval Aviation field once had. They're realigned about 40 degrees from the originals. If you look at a satellite pic (maps.google.com or GE come to mind), you can see the current runways and fragments of the old ones.

The Bing coverage is very good for this airfield. Link 1 (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=30.475630839544806%7E-87.18699201677174&lvl=16&sty=h&eo=1&where1=Pensacola%2C%20FL). In particular the 3D is excellent Link 2 (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=p2cqf67r0wyn&scene=12816725&lvl=1&sty=b&eo=1&where1=Pensacola%2C%20FL)

Graham

Peter Kirk
07-09-2010, 12:33
PNK just looked at the diagram youve put on and it looks to me as if Aldergrove had four runways not the usual three.

I suspect the one in the bottom right was little used as it looks quite short. Not 100% sure why Aldergrove was totally relaid but I assume it is to do with available runway length.

sundaybrunch
21-09-2010, 16:15
I agree the congestion charge does seem unreasonable and will not neccessarily reduce congestion at the airport. For one, parking at Belfast International is amongst one of the cheapest across the whole of the UK. They only charge 1 for parking up to an hour. Surely now more people will be inclined to park up and collect/farewell people in the terminal building..causing more congestion?

I have also read a number of blogs around the web with people trying to work out how they can get around the drop off charge by parking up the road or pulling into one of the airport hotels. The whole process is destined to create unnecessary upheaval. arghh...

sundaybrunch
23-09-2010, 10:35
Hi all

Everyone appears to feel very strongly on the subject. I have written an article on the arguments for and against the new charges and the potential repercussions. I would really appreciate your feedback and comments. Please find a link to my article below:

Belfast International Airport Drop Off Charge (http://www.belfastinternationalairportparking.com/news/drop-off-charges/)

PETERTHEEATER
29-01-2012, 09:12
http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l366/PRACHUAP/AldergroveLiberatorsIWMCH18035.jpg

Liberator GR Mark IIIs, FK228 ?M? and FL933 ?O?, of No. 120 Squadron RAF, lined up with other aircraft at Aldergrove, County Antrim. The third aircraft in line is a GR Mark V, FL952, of No. 86 Squadron RAF. The Mark IIIs are equipped with ASV Mark II anti-submarine radar, while FL952 carries centrimetric ASV radar in a radome under the nose.

Courtesy of Imperial War Museum IWM (CH 18035)

P Bellamy
29-01-2012, 12:18
Interestingly it appears to show the control tower under construction or alteration too. :)

PETERTHEEATER
30-01-2012, 10:49
The IWM Beta site has lots of interesting WW2 photographs attributed to airfields on the British mainland but they almost all show closeups of aircraft activities. I have tried to show - on various threads - those that have buildings and structures that can be identified. Post # 26 is one of the better ones.

Richard Flagg
29-10-2012, 09:49
An undated photo from Nigel Bailey-Underwood

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/Flyer719/ANTRIM/Aldergrove/Aldergrove.jpg

ww2ni
09-04-2014, 11:35
Folks take a look at this link to the BBC News website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-26839382

mawganmad
09-04-2014, 13:55
Lovely clear footage, thanks for sharing. Must admit I hadn't realised that 502 had reformed as an auxilary unit at Aldergrove either.

PETERTHEEATER
09-04-2014, 14:50
Again, probably due to my location, the film will not run 'media unavailable'

kebecker
09-04-2014, 15:13
Again, probably due to my location, the film will not run 'media unavailable'

Must be due the election on Monday, but I can view this footage......in English too!