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    AAF personnel training with adapted RAF equipment, 2902nd Combat Crew Replacement Center Group, later 3rd CCRC, at RAF Toome, 21st September 1943.

    Harwell Box with AAF radios:



    Grope Trainer:



    Grope Trainer cubicle:



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    There was a book called "Toome's Wartime Airfield" written by John Hughes.

    The ISBN number is 1-873345-20-8

    It was printed by Northern Whig Ltd and published by Moyola Books.

    75 pages of interesting information.

    There are a number of buildings remaining on site and the Control Tower is now a private dwelling.

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    Finally I get to see what a Harwell Box looks like! Thanks Paul.

    But, 'Grope Trainer'? Where are the WAAFS?

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    Or even WACs in this instance.....

    However, it appears the Grope Trainer was a GEE simulator.
    I've found another photo of the equipment and I'll get it online shortly.

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    Fascinating photos again, Paul.

    Must admit I'd never heard of a Grope trainer, wish we'd had one when I was a teenager. - there again I suspect the term 'village-bicycle' possibly came into the equation .

    On a more serious note - from the wonderful ADM1/18969, Synthetic Training devices - there were a number of 'Combined Trainers' incorporating several independent established devices.

    The C3 Crew Procedure Trainer or Gropes (STC paper No.7)
    A series of cubicles preferably simulating the interior of an aircraft, are fitted for navigators and wireless operators.
    Pilot acts as a master back plotter and sits at a separate table, or in adjacent cubicle.

    Complete flights are undertaken, and operational conditions simulated by the introduction of:
    Engine noise (M10 - Synthetic Sound Generator type 1)
    Synthetic D/F Bearings (W9 - C100 type 3, D/F Loop trainer), or (W25 - Synthetic D/F Trainer for Harwell Boxes).
    Synthetic stars ( (N29 - Synthetic Star Sextant Trainer),
    Flak
    Searchlights
    and, if desirable, temperture and pressure variations (as at Cottesmore).
    Pin-point, coast lines, enemy aircraft etc, are (when required by each master plotter), projected on a lantern onto a screen visible to the navigators.

    Each cubicle flies independently, and lantern slides must be prepared to anticipate all likely pin-points on the pre-arranged flight.

    A continuous picture of the ground would be preferable as in the Volarium trainer.
    Wonder if 'Grope' came from 'Group / Operational /Procedure /something or other'

    Graham
    Last edited by Carnaby; 27-11-2009 at 22:57. Reason: typos

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    Paul used the spelling 'Grope' and Carnaby used 'Gropes' from the documents they have seen. Probably the latter is correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PETERTHEEATER View Post
    ... Carnaby used 'Gropes'
    I wondered about that too. 'Procedure Trainer' was singular, but 'Gropes' appeared to be plural.

    Paul's suggestion that it was a GEE trainer is a possibility. After all it was teaching navigation skills, and when GEE came on line it would make sense to use it. D/F and astro were fine but why not give the navigator all the tools available.

    Graham
    Last edited by Carnaby; 28-11-2009 at 11:19.

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    Another Grope Trainer in AAF use, this time at Bovingdon:



    This photo was originally captioned as a "Grope GEE Trainer".
    Looks like they've rigged a Link Trainer plotting table to display the course.

    TTFN,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnaby View Post
    Wonder if 'Grope' came from 'Group / Operational /Procedure /something or other'
    Found it - it's a Ground Operational Exercise.

    Graham

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    Look at he expression on the face of the man seated. And Windows VISTA hadn't been invented then!

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